Selling 200 Million ISK.

Looking for 600 fg.

3:1 Ratio.

I'm new to the forums so I will trade first or can request mediator.

isn't that like a rip?

you can buy like 500m isk for 5 bucks and you can't buy 600fg for 5bucks, these kids are retarded.

A 60 day GTC = 400 mil Isk = 35 $

So at Paul's rates (since you seem to be so fond of buying fg from Paul), 1 bil = 90$ = 2550 fg.

Prices are a bit above Paul's rates, because we decide it's like that. Give us another place where you can get so much liquid isk vs a "virtual & fake" currency, and we'll lower our ratio. But buying from illegal websites does't count.

Now unless you want to use illegal isk purchasing through a website that will result in your account being flagged by CCP, then stop spamming people's threads with : Omg it's cheaper to buy isk.

Most of us ALSO do not buy our fg from Paul. Get a life kids.

3:1 Ratio is the current ratio. Not happy, go risk buying isk somewhere else. You have the opportunity to sell your diablo 2 items, or your WOW fag items, and turn them into isk for EVE. If you can't use that chance, then you might aswell not use this forum at all.

And that's at Paul's rate. Because at the Donate for me Rate, or the Donors Forum rate, ratio is even higher for $:fg.

At their rates, your 1 bil isk = 90 $ would be more around 3,500 fg.

So stop crying, and suck it in.

This post was edited by xX-shuriken-Xx on Jul 22 2008 02:01am

Actually, FG should be weighed as BETTER than ISK, ISK is not liquid, it's a one game deal, and can be botted quite easily and is in immense supply, whereas FG is not and FG is essentially universally acceptable. If all you play is EVE then maybe but then you'd probably be a very boring person since EVE has a lot of slow play

That's completely wrong ^^

Take a look at Guild Wars. The gold is worth more than the fg. Take a look at Wow. The gold is worth more than the fg. Take a look at Runescape. The gold is worth more than the fg. And for each and every of these games, it's always a better thing to go and buy the gold on a shop website.
Then go for it, go go and buy, and risk loosing your gaming account.

For each of these games, fg is worth less than the gold, and it's the same for Eve. Isk should NOT be weighted under Fg. Fg is not liquid. Unless you have access to Donors Forum (which is not the case of 90% of the people on Jsp), then it is forbidden to sell your fg vs cash.
But it is allowed to go a shop website and sell them your Ingame gold vs cash.

Fg is extremely easy to find on this forum. You say it's not in immense supply ? I say you're wrong. Look at the recent top Donors. There has NEVER EVER been so much fg circulating on this website. There is actually so much that Paul doesn't know what to do anymore to get some of it back. Youtube Slots for your profile, Raffle, etc.

So no, Fg is worth less than Isk.

And I don't see how my previous post prooves that I play EVE a lot and am a boring person. Eve is the kind of game that you can play one hour a week and still feel that you're part of the community. Don't BS me.

How is fg not liquid? Go back to economics class, liquidity is the ability to move your assets from one investment to another, ie from one game to another, ie EVE ISK is worthless for WoW, nobody will trade WoW vs ISK, and it goes on and on for all games; FG is the better deal, REGARDLESS of what the market puts its value at, as it is not a static value per game, but it is determined by the market, so when weighing it against a dollar spent in any other game it is always best to take into account which asset is more liquid. It is a barter system vs representational currency, and our representational currency, forum gold, much like the US Dollar, America's representational currency, is more valuable than any in game currency on a strictly unbiased comparison of usage. The market decides everything else, FG is worth what people will trade for it bearing in mind its usefulness and liquidity, it is a better buy dollar for dollar than ISK is, therefore any arguement between ISK purchased with money and FG is invalid, and any suggestion whatsoever that ISK is more useful than FG is absolutely absurd.

e: and i'm not saying you are a boring person, i'm saying that FG might be less valuable than ISK ONLY to someone who plays nothing BUT EVE

This post was edited by Khrushchev on Jul 22 2008 02:27am

I disagree with this. Your definition of liquidity is in my opinion not a good one. The system that you refer to (and therefore I shall ask you to go back to economics class) is a system based on a single currency reference (here fg). It's the exact system that was abolished at Bretton Woods in 1944. At the time, all world currencies were based on a dollar/gold conversion rate.
Today, we have an economy based on floatable rates. Yen can be valued directly in Euro, in Dollar, in Pound, in Dirham, etc. Luckily for us we do not rely on a system where people think one currency is the base of the economy. Only americans still think like that today (and we see where it leads them).

It's the same for Forum Gold. Wow gold doesn't need fg to find its equivalence in ISK or in GwG. It finds its own equivalence through the numerous sites selling it, and they don't only sell it in dollars, but in euros, in pounds, in yens, etc.

Therefore, anyone that wishes to convert Wow gold into GwG can choose to do so through the fg system. From that point of view Fg has its utility. But don't come talking about economics and telling me to go back to economic class. Because the system as you describe it is a 100 year old system that every single country in the world has given up on.

Think Floatable Rates, and you'll see that Fg is only a tool for conversion.

As for the value of each Game Gold, we culd go into details to great lengths. I for one consider that the maturity of players on EVE, the corporations that exist, the systems made for this game, Bank of Eve (from Ricdic), the ability to create shares for your corp and have a board of directors, have shareholders, etc.
All this makes the Isk in EVE much more valuable at any rate than the WOW gold, or Fg itself.

Games are very different from one another, but each game gold has the value its' own player give it.

If you play EVE, then don't cry about the high rates of fg:isk. You were very happy a few weeks/month ago to buy it at rates going all the way up to 5:1.

Price is now down to 3:1. You talk to me about economics ? There is an offer, there is a demand. Right now, we mostly have an offer. This pushes prices down a little bit, but it can't go down to a level that will create loss for the sellers.
Ratio is 3:1, people decide to value their gold more than the fg. That's life.

This post was edited by xX-shuriken-Xx on Jul 22 2008 03:35am

lol @ Bretton Woods.. read less wikipedia imo

There is no 'loss' for sellers as it is an in game currency with no certified value, only assumed value, so you can sell isk as low as you want to. And by saying that EVE ISK is more valuable in EVE than WoW gold is to WoW you are comparing different niche markets, which like I said before, is wrong; it's like saying a $20 Best Buy gift certificate is worth more than a $20 Target gift certificate, whereas FG is a $20 bill. I shouldn't have to dumb it down for you like that, but that's liquidity of capital.

This post was edited by Khrushchev on Jul 22 2008 03:52am

Wikipedia ? Rofl dude. Not everyone needs to google what they post in forums.

I have a double MBA in Finance and Economics. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe you should do a bit more wikipedia browsing though. Because your only answer to Bretton Woods is : Lol ? That's not an answer, especially when I made my point with it, and I'm acually right, and you can't find any answer to it.

And thank you for proving my point. This is exactly what we're dealing with : A Niche market. This is why there are sub forums for each games, and not a huge trading ground for every game mixed together. Because every game has it's own ratios. Every game has its own subforums because the community obeys to its own set of rules (as well as obeying to the main forum rules, but that's beside the point).

ISK in Eve is harder to come by than Gold in Guild Wars. Because unless you are a farm bot user (in which case I don't even see why you're on this forum, and why we're speaking because thank you for ruining the game), then Isk is made through production, Isk is made thorugh NPC farming in 0.0, etc.

And if you know anything about EVE, which I hope for your sake, and the sake of the fg you've spent in, you do, then you should know that 0.0 is only accessible if you pay big alliances, production is only possible if you have a starting capital.

And we're not talking about producing frigates. We're talking about T2 prod : Say hello to BPO's worth billions. We're talking Carrier/Dread prod : Say hello to Assembly Arrays and POS's in Low Sec (hence security, more ships, more funds needed, etc).
Access to 0.0 only happens if you can pay or have an agreement with one of the major alliances in the game who control all of the 0.0. If you even dare to say otherwise, then you haven't played EVE at all.

ISK making in EVE isn't that easy. And not everyone has $$$ to spend on isk selling sites, or on buying fg from Paul.

HENCE : you can make fg with other games, selling your diablo 2 characters, etc. But THEN, your fg is useless (unless you have Donors Forum access). What happens next ? Someone like me offers 8 Billions of Isk. That's hard cash in EVE. That's enough cash to start 2 networks of 3 POS each for chain reaction, etc.
I have spreadsheets I designed myself, I know what I'm talking about.
The simple fact of everyone needing isk, and the simple fact that without spending $$ and Real Life money, you can get liquid isk in big amounts on this forum, makes isk valued more than fg by those in thi section.

Yes it's a niche, and you either obey to the niche rules, or you suck it up and cry silently.

Enough said now.