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Feb 27 2019 02:21am
Keep it simple:

124% Enhanced Effect Axe [2-4 actions to kill 1 monster] vs 124% Enhanced Battle Axe [1-2 actions to kill 1 monster]
Killing 200,000 Monsters. Which weapon kills them all first?

Exact same states / ranking / character class, no need to worry about health or anything else.
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Feb 27 2019 03:04am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 26 2019 10:21pm)
Keep it simple:

124% Enhanced Effect Axe [2-4 actions to kill 1 monster] vs 124% Enhanced Battle Axe [1-2 actions to kill 1 monster]
Killing 200,000 Monsters. Which weapon kills them all first?

Exact same states / ranking / character class, no need to worry about health or anything else.


I don't really understand how you got what's in the brackets... but let me just say that if your only goal is just to kill 200,000 monsters, just whistle lvl 1s and use the "axe" and you'll finish twice as fast :P
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Feb 27 2019 03:39am
Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 27 2019 10:04pm)
I don't really understand how you got what's in the brackets... but let me just say that if your only goal is just to kill 200,000 monsters, just whistle lvl 1s and use the "axe" and you'll finish twice as fast :P


Maybe I should have rephrased a bit better... you want to still gain prof points, drop quality, drop quantity and after the 200,000 monster kill, experience that equates @ 1% gain per monster... so... 100 monsters = 1 level up, so you have just gone from level 35 to 55 after a killing spree (please correct me if my maths are incorrect.)

EDIT: could not vote because you think it is based on your logic? Think outside of the box... 1 hit kills defeat the purpose of the post... you should know better as a tester using basic bedmas maths.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 27 2019 03:40am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 26 2019 11:39pm)
Maybe I should have rephrased a bit better... you want to still gain prof points, drop quality, drop quantity and after the 200,000 monster kill, experience that equates @ 1% gain per monster... so... 100 monsters = 1 level up, so you have just gone from level 35 to 55 after a killing spree (please correct me if my maths are incorrect.)

EDIT: could not vote because you think it is based on your logic? Think outside of the box... 1 hit kills defeat the purpose of the post... you should know better as a tester using basic bedmas maths.


Sure. I still didn't vote because even if same character class, it's not stated how many players are in-game, which affects number of monsters spawned, and... more importantly, what abilities are being used. The clarification of level is also quite important since one of the main perks of using heavy weapons is that you can do twice as much damage, but you only need to subtract the monster's armor once... at low levels, there is basically no difference since monster defense is basically subtracting nothing. However, at higher levels, armor can account for quite a lot of the damage taken, and in some cases, especially with low str/dex and a low ee weapon at a very high level, can mean the difference between dealing 0 damage and dealing actual positive damage. You've removed many of these important differences between normal and heavy weapons by simply stating the range of hits needed to kill each monster.

Also if you are going from lvl 35 to 55, killing 100 monsters each level, after reaching 55 the first time you would have killed 2000 monsters. To kill 200,000 monsters, you will need to repeat this an additional 99 times.
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Sure. I still didn't vote because even if same character class, it's not stated how many players are in-game, which affects number of monsters spawned, and... more importantly, what abilities are being used. The clarification of level is also quite important since one of the main perks of using heavy weapons is that you can do twice as much damage, but you only need to subtract the monster's armor once... at low levels, there is basically no difference since monster defense is basically subtracting nothing. However, at higher levels, armor can account for quite a lot of the damage taken, and in some cases, especially with low str/dex and a low ee weapon at a very high level, can mean the difference between dealing 0 damage and dealing actual positive damage. You've removed many of these important differences between normal and heavy weapons by simply stating the range of hits needed to kill each monster.

Also if you are going from lvl 35 to 55, killing 100 monsters each level, after reaching 55 the first time you would have killed 2000 monsters. To kill 200,000 monsters, you will need to repeat this an additional 99 times.


Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 27 2019 09:21pm)
Keep it simple:

124% Enhanced Effect Axe [2-4 actions to kill 1 monster] vs 124% Enhanced Battle Axe [1-2 actions to kill 1 monster]
Killing 200,000 Monsters. Which weapon kills them all first?

Exact same states / ranking / character class, no need to worry about health or anything else.


Reading skills come to mind. So, forget group climb, forget abilities forget about anything else that you have mentioned, it is basically 1 vs 1 @ level 35.

EDIT: I got my maths incorrect, but after killing 200,000 monsters, your level maybe even higher, but, you do NOT gain the experience points until completion of the test.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Feb 27 2019 04:29am
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 27 2019 12:28am)
Reading skills come to mind. So, forget group climb, forget abilities forget about anything else that you have mentioned, it is basically 1 vs 1 @ level 35.


If there are a lot of monsters that will take 3 hits to kill with an axe that will thus take 2 hits to kill with a battle axe, then the axe will finish first since swinging an axe 3 times will take less time than swinging a battle axe 2 times. If most monsters take 2 or 4 hits to kill with an axe and very few take 3 hits to kill with the axe, then battleaxe should finish faster because of the buff to heavy weapon speed during the rewrite. I'm not sure which of these will be the biggest factor, but since you're eliminating basically all other points of consideration, this will be the deciding factor.

This post was edited by BWConformity on Feb 27 2019 04:33am
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Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 27 2019 11:33pm)
If there are a lot of monsters that will take 3 hits to kill with an axe that will thus take 2 hits to kill with a battle axe, then the axe will finish first since swinging an axe 3 times will take less time than swinging a battle axe 2 times. If most monsters take 2 or 4 hits to kill with an axe and very few take 3 hits to kill with the axe, then battleaxe should finish faster because of the buff to heavy weapon speed during the rewrite. I'm not sure which of these will be the biggest factor, but since you're eliminating basically all other points of consideration, this will be the deciding factor.


OMFG... all you are doing is coming up with fucking excuses to give you the fucking answer. Fucking research is the key to the fucking answer.

Here is the clue you want, and it will basically result in people realising the truth... over time, a heavy weapon will kill MORE monsters per action over X amount of monsters UNLESS, it comes to 1 hit killing per weapon.

You know... I thought you have a brain to figure this out for yourself, but you just proved me wrong and made yourself look clueless.

EDIT: here is the answer... if minimum attack (axe) is 2 actions, it equal 2 seconds, but, if a battle axe kills in 1 attack it is only 1.8 seconds, which is faster kill speed vs the axe. FFS, was that fucking hard to comprehend, I made it fucking easy pointing out 2-4 actions for axes vs 1-2 actions for Battle axes.

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OMFG... all you are doing is coming up with fucking excuses to give you the fucking answer. Fucking research is the key to the fucking answer.

Here is the clue you want, and it will basically result in people realising the truth... over time, a heavy weapon will kill MORE monsters per action over X amount of monsters UNLESS, it comes to 1 hit killing per weapon.

You know... I thought you have a brain to figure this out for yourself, but you just proved me wrong and made yourself look clueless.

EDIT: here is the answer... if minimum attack (axe) is 2 actions, it equal 2 seconds, but, if a battle axe kills in 1 attack it is only 1.8 seconds, which is faster kill speed vs the axe. FFS, was that fucking hard to comprehend, I made if fucking easy pointing out 2-4 actions for axes vs 1-2 actions for Battle axes.


If you only wanted one answer, why even make a poll? Why not make a topic saying "Heavy weapons kill faster than normal weapons under my conditions." Are you trying to convince me that heavy weapons kill faster than normal weapons? I already like heavy weapons because of a lot of the reasons that you're omitting here and the point you're trying to make is only valid if you make a lot of crazy assumptions.

But in the end, you failed to make one more assumption and that is, mobs will only be killed in 2-shots by an axe/1-shot by a battleaxe or 4-shots by an axe/2-shots by a battleaxe, but never in 3-shots by an axe, which would still take 2 shots with a battleaxe, overkilling the mob, but still taking the time.

Because if you kill a monster in 3 shots with an axe you take 3 seconds... but even with a 1.8 second swing speed with the battle axe, you take 3.6 seconds to kill it with a battleaxe.
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Quote (BWConformity @ Feb 27 2019 11:57pm)
If you only wanted one answer, why even make a poll? Why not make a topic saying "Heavy weapons kill faster than normal weapons under my conditions." Are you trying to convince me that heavy weapons kill faster than normal weapons? I already like heavy weapons because of a lot of the reasons that you're omitting here and the point you're trying to make is only valid if you make a lot of crazy assumptions.

But in the end, you failed to make one more assumption and that is, mobs will only be killed in 2-shots by an axe/1-shot by a battleaxe or 4-shots by an axe/2-shots by a battleaxe, but never in 3-shots by an axe, which would still take 2 shots with a battleaxe, overkilling the mob, but still taking the time.

Because if you kill a monster in 3 shots with an axe you take 3 seconds... but even with a 1.8 second swing speed with the battle axe, you take 3.6 seconds to kill it with a battleaxe.


So in all that fuss, you did not even conclude the answer for yourself and still come up with excuses?

Aren't you supposed to be the mathematician that people refer to for testing things? Oh, on top of that, you use BASIC analysis as you pointed out in your posts to divert from the truth... on average, a battle axe user will kill faster than an axe user... it doesn't fucking matter about 3 hit kill vs 2 hit kill... all you are trying to warrant out of your opinion is the basic shit you pointed out in your first post... 1 hit kill speed the axe will kill faster than a battle axe... I don't fucking dispute that at all.

FFS, you could just argue basic mathematical equation on averages with the information I have given in my first post. Either weapon can kill the 200,000 monsters during the same time frame based on average attack / damage output... but NO... you want to fucking try and prove me wrong, put it simply... if an axe wielder has less attack actions killing 200,000 monsters compared to the battle axe user, you would surmise that the Axe user is the winner, but, in reality, you did NOT take into consideration that the battle axe user STILL killed the same amount of monsters in the same time frame as the Axe user. Fucking think outside of the box for once... just like you and Meridius excuses to using a CERTAIN way of formula to find an answer, the thing is, when using the BEDMAS rule, if the BRACKETS are situated in a different place, it contradicts your formula completely... that is where you failed, the only thing that is correct, is the fact that the coder did NOT use that method when coding.

I am so fucking glad I did my coding for websites and gaming platforms for over 8 years.
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Feb 27 2019 05:56am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Feb 27 2019 01:53am)
So in all that fuss, you did not even conclude the answer for yourself and still come up with excuses?

Aren't you supposed to be the mathematician that people refer to for testing things? Oh, on top of that, you use BASIC analysis as you pointed out in your posts to divert from the truth... on average, a battle axe user will kill faster than an axe user... it doesn't fucking matter about 3 hit kill vs 2 hit kill... all you are trying to warrant out of your opinion is the basic shit you pointed out in your first post... 1 hit kill speed the axe will kill faster than a battle axe... I don't fucking dispute that at all.

FFS, you could just argue basic mathematical equation on averages with the information I have given in my first post. Either weapon can kill the 200,000 monsters during the same time frame based on average attack / damage output... but NO... you want to fucking try and prove me wrong, put it simply... if an axe wielder has less attack actions killing 200,000 monsters compared to the battle axe user, you would surmise that the Axe user is the winner, but, in reality, you did NOT take into consideration that the battle axe user STILL killed the same amount of monsters in the same time frame as the Axe user. Fucking think outside of the box for once... just like you and Meridius excuses to using a CERTAIN way of formula to find an answer, the thing is, when using the BEDMAS rule, if the BRACKETS are situated in a different place, it contradicts your formula completely... that is where you failed, the only thing that is correct, is the fact that the coder did NOT use that method when coding.

I am so fucking glad I did my coding for websites and gaming platforms for over 8 years.


I can't conclude the answer because I don't have enough information.

I also can't test this because I can't meet your assumptions in-game.

The above is my only reason for not "voting" but you are free to believe what you want :)
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