So your trying to tell me in ALL ways a sword pure str build is going to be AS effective as an axe pure str build? Your a lunatic if you believe that.

No. You're comparing two different things here.

He's saying that if a pure str build or some other build happened to be the optimal build for an axe then that same build would be the optimal build when using a sword.
Whether swords or axes are better is an entirely different discussion.


I'm not quite claiming to agree with this point. But that's the point jb seems to be making.

Erm..aren't you saying the exact same thing I said?

So your trying to tell me in ALL ways a sword pure str build is going to be AS effective as an axe pure str build?

I'm not trying to claim the axe is better just that the sword woulden't be as sufficent as the axe like hes trying to claim.

...well I guess in a way I am saying that..but only because hes trying to tell me with that same str build a sword is going to be just as effective..and it wouldent.

question: i m poor and i don't have fg for high ee weapon so i should put all stats in dex or str?

prove it using exact EE weapons, at the same levels, doing a chain comparison

To the bolded part. No.

I'm trying to tell you that the claim is that if a pure str build for an axe is better than a str/dex build for an axe, then a pure str build for a sword is better than a str/dex build for a sword.
In no way did I compare a sword directly to an axe.

Another way to explain it.
Say you use a str/dex build on an axe, and you can get chains up to say 5 with your gear on average.
But if you use a pure str build with that axe and the same gear you could get chains up to 10 on average.

And say using a str/dex build with a sword with similar EE/stats you could get chains up to say 3 with your gear on average.
Then the claim is that if you were to try a pure str build with that sword, then by the results seen with builds on an axe you should see an increase in how high you could get your chains up to say 6 on average. (Roughly double.)

Now that we've cleared that up. On the comparison of swords to axes, I actually agree with you that axes in reality perform better than swords.
(Sort of a personal preference. But I would anticipate that a complete mathematical model would back this up.)

In simple theory which only accounts for defense and damage, swords should do more damage.
However, simple theory ignores both overkill and the finite health of mobs which results in a discretely finite number of attacks.

I agree with maori the overkill of a sword could end up costing a sword the match in this scenario

If you crit high later rather than early that high ass crit did you no good than a slightly above average hit.

and I cannot try this as someone else may I *Do not* use swords Period in any of my builds.

So I don't have a sword to use to do this comparison LOL

Plus they're overpriced, and not as fun to use imho.

From how I look at it Axes + Daggers make the best weapons in practical use. Most consistency. Plus every melee class (save Guardian) can use either an axe or a dagger. And headhunter ....

Though staves are cheap as dirt and not a bad range.

Agreed.

I have both an axe set and a dagger set..and a partial staff set.

I use axes on feeder, dagger on sammy, axes on pally, dagger on monk, dagger on ninja..

And chances are i'll never get farther than that but if I do i'll have to find some way to get a mage setup.

then its on to headhunter which is axes I believe.

Ftw

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please understand what I'm saying before you start trying to argue something completely urrelevant