Precisley my point..hes talking about something ENTIRELY different..he is basically telling me a caster rogue is superior to a melee rogue and that is true..but that isn't what this thread is about.

If you don't want to get the stats, more power to you.
But you don't have to sacrifice as much as you think if you balance your gear around it.
You're right, you would sacrifice some offensive ability to gain the ability to heal, but that's the nature of any build.
Anyway, if it's not your style that's fine. My point was it's a viable build and holds it's weight next to a pure str/dex melee stat build.



Entirely discounting a point of view because you chose to doesn't quite make sense.
I was talking about a melee build. I commented on rogue because that's what I'm currently playing.
You're insisting on something you haven't even tried based on assumptions. And with no math or logical theory to back it up.

A build consists of the stat points you spend AND your gear. It's a philosophy, not simply which class you chose.
If you're arguing that just because you try to heal on a character that it means it's a caster then you're the one bringing up a different point in this thread.

I based all of my responses to previous posts, I fail to see how the posts discuss a different point.

This post was edited by maori on Feb 4 2009 02:03am

Maori..stop being so stubborn and loose already. =P

No i'm not trying to claim that at all.

Your example said you needed 135 INT and HM just to reach 450 heals...Do you realize on a melee build how many stat points you'd have to give up to reach that kind of level of int?

It woulden't minorly cut your damage it would cut it greatly.

I have a Melee / Healer build atm and it works perfectly fine (granted its not a robe build) but with stats alloted the way you said to reach those kinds of heals..being able to melee efficently is improbable if not impossible.

I think maybe mine and Whirl's definition of a "Hybrid" is not the same as yours...

Your definition of a Hybrid seems like..you mean to melee the first half of the climb and worry abouts heals etc the second half.

That isn't our (or at least my) definition of a true Hybrid..you can do what your talking about on your type of hybrid but not on (our/my) type.

If you'd like I could show you where I was pulling the numbers from. Yes the stats I showed require rather nice gear. Better than I can afford.
But I can get rather close to those number relatively cheap.

I do admit, you give up a lot of damage. The build I'm talking about is a melee oriented build first, but takes advantage of the fact that hard statting int gives you mana and that int is a cheap secondary stat on melee gear.

I assure, I'm not trying to be stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn. But I'll let the conversation lie. (I'm not trying to "win", just explain the build better.)

I would like to compare gear choices though if you'd like. I can show you better where I'm gathering numbers from for the gear level I'm suggesting.
If not, I'll keep 'em on the notepad on my desk.

But since you mentioned it... From the the numbers I'm using, I'm roughly figuring on giving up roughly ~20-30 strength/dex on gear to reach those values for equivalent fg cost.
But I admit intended gear level makes a huge difference.

This post was edited by maori on Feb 4 2009 04:33pm

mpa dose wonders on a hybrid.

This post was edited by Windbrisk on Feb 4 2009 05:21pm

Gotta agree with him 100% I was casting on my monk but hybrid up to 35 no regen level to level no problem. Had a lpk/dex/mpa robe worked wonders

You even have a monk

Just deleted him yesterday. Not interested in playing anything but a mage anymore.

So I saw, nice charm but its a bit low to have payed so much for.

and I agree with the MPA suggestion.

I was using my hybrid (A very damage oriented one..that I need to rethink upon the next attempt..its too much power not enough int)

and a couple of my daggers happend to have MPA 1 inparticular had 1-24 I believe

quite helpful indeed.

In your mind what do you expect the gear you intend to use to cost? Because if its a very high amount that could be to an extent where we are clashing.

Plus I don't believe in giving up melee stats on gear for Int stats..which may also be a problem.

I believe in hard statting the points your going to be using early on as possible in order to get a larger pool (whether it be vita or Int etc)

and letting the gear be the supplement for having to hard stat the third stat.

This time my Hybrid didn't go nearly as planned it was good at low - mid levels but it just isn't enough at high levels.

I should of hard statted more Int to begin with.

However if you could pm me what your final stats are on your build i'd compare them to what my final stats are going to be on this one and it could help me see where I went wrong exactly on my (cheap) hybrid build.

...actually all in all it may be better to brainstorm via pm entirely then once we've stopped butting heads so much posting a combined analysis in here..or in a new thread whichever to let someone with the fg we don't have attempt the build and see if it works as well as we intend..could end up with an entirely new popular build lol