Quote (irimi @ Jun 14 2012 01:51pm)

*yawn* Nothing I've said contradicts that. Nobody's telling anyone here to stack mitigation here and ignore the rest.

Here, I'll even repost what I wrote like, 30 pages back:

MONK INFERNO 101 (MELEE ONLY)

This is how gearing/game progression works as a monk. You first get your survivability and mitigation stats up to par: this means having sufficient armor, resists, and HP to take more than just a hit or two. Then you focus on DPS, because all the LoH in the world isn't going to save you from an enrage timer. Last and finally least, you get LoH.

The only difference is in playstyle. Before you get your LoH to a ridiculously high amount, you do high burst DPS using your cooldowns, and kite while you wait for your cooldowns to go off. You can DPS while kiting if you use a crappy excuse of a ranged attack like Deadly Reach, but anything more than that is asking for trouble. Once your cooldowns go off, you go back in, pop them when you encounter the first sign of trouble, and then pull out again. Rinse and repeat til mobs are dead.

Once you've gotten rich and buy a ton of LoH gear ON TOP OF WHAT YOU HAVE, you can then change your playstyle. You can DPS mobs for much longer before you need to pop any cooldowns. You can even start popping cooldowns offensively, assuming you are a good judge of what kind of damage to expect.

Notice that in both of these pictures, if you don't have enough mitigation/life, YOU DIE. If you don't know how to properly manage your cooldowns, YOU DIE. If you don't know how to kite, YOU DIE.

LoH is not a be all, end all solution that makes monk a faceroll class. It simply makes you kill things faster.

Quote (Veranor2 @ Jun 14 2012 12:08pm)

Eh... I dont think 500 resists is 50%.  I think its pretty close though.  Someone have the actual value?

Quote (irimi @ Jun 14 2012 08:11pm)

What's your attack speed?  Look into buffing your IAS and LoH.  Get your LoH to about 800-1k and you should be able to clear A4 with ease.  A little more DPS won't hurt either.

I did most of A4 using FoT+Thunderclap and Mantra of Conviction+Overawe.  I then switched to MoE+Deadly Reach to deal with Izual and MoE+FoT+Thunderclap for Diablo.

As for the caster mobs, all the caster mobs' abilities in Act 4 can be dodged.

Quote (Veranor2 @ Jun 14 2012 01:52pm)

Look at it from this perspective.

You have 3 bars. Damage, Mitigation, and Regeneration

Damage
=========================

Mitigation
============

Regeneration
====

A build like this is unbalanced and will die more so than a build as follows:

Damage
===============

Mitigation
===============

Regeneration
===============

So yeah you could increase your damage, but at what expense of the other 2? If its too great, its pointless. If you increased mitigation at the expense of the other two, its pointless as well. The same for regeneration.

I'll bold it, because I've been speaking about it on these forums for some time. It's all about the Sweet Spot. If you get above it without sacrificing, good for you. But for those that are having problems, focus on making it to the sweet spot, and you'll see that life gets easier.

Quote (Parsa @ Jun 14 2012 03:10pm)

Heya,

Would like to ask some advice again. Last time I didn't get any good reply but maybe I'm luckier this time.

So... I'm now in act 4. I can't exactly do everything in act 3 yet, but with some clever play and skipping some packs I was able to finish it. The biggest problem is usually packs which have fiery chain + are fast or just generally ogre packs (those casters) and some other annoyng combinations such as dececrator+vortex+jail... I belive everyone has those problems though.

My unbuffed stats are atm:
20k dps
37k life
740all resistances
22% melee mitigation
25% block (2700-3700dmg)
34% dodge
400 LoH
5500armor

I'm using the FoT + Thunderclap build, though I have to kite alot. I'm just thinking here, what I should increase at the moment? I think my melee mitigation is enough good at the moment, I can kill any melee trash by just standing and spanking, but ranged mobs are bit more problem. Also casters are bit difficult due to lack of resistances, so I have always to either use the +armor aura or +resistance aura. I'm thinking here if I should sacrifice 200loh from my amulet for 100@ resistances and 100vitality, what do you guys think? Also, generally, how do you guys survive in a4? What am I lacking most? Should I sacrifice some loh for resistances, or just save money for some amulet that has @resistances with LoH?

Quote (et3rnal @ Jun 14 2012 01:53pm)

this is true for all classes because of the way the stats are calculated. the MORE you have of a stat the LESS your next point is worth. i do NOT believe this is true for damage, only defensive stats

Quote (irimi @ Jun 14 2012 04:02pm)

Erm, not exactly. Vitality scales linearly and doesn't suffer from DR. Armor/Resists scale linearly and doesn't suffer from DR.

In fact, the only thing that has DR, as far as I can tell, is dodge.