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May 29 2012 06:44am
Quote (Perverse @ May 29 2012 07:41am)
(Wizards are not native tanks and never will be anymore)


in time i will prove u wrong

but about archon i walk thru a2 with archon taking hits without a problem
wat most people dont realize about archon is that it adds 40% armor and all resist and with my build it brings me to 11k armor and 1800 all resist
its obviously useless for people that use force armor cause theyll take 1/3 regardless

soon everyone will see prismatic > force armor unless some patch changes the way things are calculated
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May 29 2012 06:48am
Quote (XpLiCiTs @ May 29 2012 12:44pm)
in time i will prove u wrong

but about archon i walk thru a2 with archon taking hits without a problem
wat most people dont realize about archon is that it adds 40% armor and all resist and with my build it brings me to 11k armor and 1800 all resist
its obviously useless for people that use force armor cause theyll take 1/3 regardless

soon everyone will see prismatic > force armor unless some patch changes the way things are calculated


Interesting approach. May I ask you how much life you got? I feel like that could be great once I hit 40-50k life.
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May 29 2012 06:51am
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Based on the assumption that the main skills are blizzard and hydra, and not shocking pulse, how will choose the following weap affects? I have seen a wand that does 800 dps with523-733 damage, and an axe with 800 dps, but 612-831 damage. Although both has the same dps, the speed of attack is obviously different. In this case, which would be the prefered weap if bliz and hydra are the main focus of attack instead of shocking pulse? (I'm assuming the other will be more optimal for shocking pulse, correct me if im wrong).


The Wand has an average damage of 628. With an Int of 1500, its damage increases to 9420--which is then buffed by whatever else you have. Hydra, however, only uses 18% of that.

The Axe has an average damage of 721. With an Int of 1500, its damage increases to 10,822--which is then buffed by whatever else you have. Here, as well, Hydra only uses 18% of.

Be the judge. If you think you can live with the lower damage of Hydra because it provides you with more speed, go ahead. If, on the other hand, you have enough attack speed to feel safe, go with the lower-speed/higher-damage one.
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May 29 2012 06:54am
Quote (XpLiCiTs @ May 29 2012 07:44am)
in time i will prove u wrong

but about archon i walk thru a2 with archon taking hits without a problem
wat most people dont realize about archon is that it adds 40% armor and all resist and with my build it brings me to 11k armor and 1800 all resist
its obviously useless for people that use force armor cause theyll take 1/3 regardless

soon everyone will see prismatic > force armor unless some patch changes the way things are calculated


You so not seem to understand how Force Armor works.
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May 29 2012 06:55am
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Interesting approach. May I ask you how much life you got? I feel like that could be great once I hit 40-50k life.


my hp is obviously lower than most force armor builds cause its not ez finding vit along with all the other mods i need in gear. im currently sitting at 28k but with all the mobs dealing that much less to me compared to using force armor it more than evens out.
for example i know many wizzies have problems with izkatu or however u spell his name cause of the massive amount of mobs that spawn but these so called mobs only deal 1400 per to me and the boss itself hits me for 8k. if i were to use a force armor build im pretty sure i wont be able to survive 20 hits from those little critters

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You so not seem to understand how Force Armor works.


im not gonna say i was the first cause thatll just bring in lots of arguments but i made the hp regen 4721hp fa build b4 it was even mentioned on these forums. i know how it works and i scrapped it once the nerf came in

This post was edited by XpLiCiTs on May 29 2012 06:56am
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my hp is obviously lower than most force armor builds cause its not ez finding vit along with all the other mods i need in gear. im currently sitting at 28k but with all the mobs dealing that much less to me compared to using force armor it more than evens out.
for example i know many wizzies have problems with izkatu or however u spell his name cause of the massive amount of mobs that spawn but these so called mobs only deal 1400 per to me and the boss itself hits me for 8k. if i were to use a force armor build im pretty sure i wont be able to survive 20 hits from those little critters



im not gonna say i was the first cause thatll just bring in lots of arguments but i made the hp regen 4721hp fa build b4 it was even mentioned on these forums. i know how it works and i scrapped it once the nerf came in


Why would you have scrapped it? It increases your life by exactly the amount of HP you have--meaning that you can take pretty much any hit with even 30k Hp. And getting hit by insignificant enemies is solved by killing them first.
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May 29 2012 07:04am
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Why would you have scrapped it? It increases your life by exactly the amount of HP you have--meaning that you can take pretty much any hit with even 30k Hp. And getting hit by insignificant enemies is solved by killing them first.


ok ill just ask u one question and hopefully ull get the idea

y would u want to use a skill that makes u take 35% max of ur hp when u can make a build where nuthin in the game can deal 35% of ur hp in 1 hit?
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May 29 2012 07:07am
Quote (XpLiCiTs @ May 29 2012 08:04am)
ok ill just ask u one question and hopefully ull get the idea

y would u want to use a skill that makes u take 35% max of ur hp when u can make a build where nuthin in the game can deal 35% of ur hp in 1 hit?


Because that would require ridiculously more gold to achieve. Quite simple, really.

Edit: The skill doesn't "make" you take 35% of your HP in damage. Only damage that would be higher than that 35%.

This post was edited by Perverse on May 29 2012 07:08am
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May 29 2012 07:09am
Quote (Perverse @ May 29 2012 08:07am)
Because that would require ridiculously more gold to achieve. Quite simple, really.


so therefore u are admitting my build is the better long term build. many people strive for perfection and as long as ur agreeing my build will come out the winner it becomes the better build

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Edit: The skill doesn't "make" you take 35% of your HP in damage. Only damage that would be higher than that 35%.


and y would u need it when nuthin in game can produce that hit dealing over 35% of ur hp?

This post was edited by XpLiCiTs on May 29 2012 07:10am
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my hp is obviously lower than most force armor builds cause its not ez finding vit along with all the other mods i need in gear. im currently sitting at 28k but with all the mobs dealing that much less to me compared to using force armor it more than evens out.
for example i know many wizzies have problems with izkatu or however u spell his name cause of the massive amount of mobs that spawn but these so called mobs only deal 1400 per to me and the boss itself hits me for 8k. if i were to use a force armor build im pretty sure i wont be able to survive 20 hits from those little critters


Going from the armor and resist data you gave with your bit on archon we can estimate your armor to be about 8000 and resists about 950 without prismatic armor, 1300 with. If you're taking 1400/8000 from minions/izual with prismatic armor, it'd just become ~1800/10000. You'd still survive about 16 hits, so it's not gamebreaking without it

All this is probably moot for you since you're not taking 35% from anything, but it's a long ways to go before many wizards can scrap force armor
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