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Feb 14 2013 10:20pm
Quote (kylezo @ Feb 14 2013 07:53pm)
wtf! So, you get 2.5m crits with ONE handers, and 1.7m crits with skorn? How is that? How can you be dropping bigger bells, twice as much dmg, with a 1200 dps EF vs a 1400 dps skorn?? This seems impossible.



Here you go ....

I hit 2.8M

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Feb 14 2013 10:21pm
Quote (MONKster @ Feb 14 2013 07:28pm)
With my EF & WKL ... I am unbuffed at 266K ...
Boh, blind, overawe .... I hit the Bell key and I see yellow numbers 2.5m
If you think I am bullshitting you... Let me know and I'll screen shot for you.
Or if PTR is still up... I'll give you all my gear and you can see for yourself.

With Skorn I am at 206K ... No other damage buffs.


Hey dude, I didn't say you were lying, lol. Just that it doesnt' make sense. So, you're not buffing with skorn, then. That makes perfect sense. Cuz that's where your numbers are really coming from. The advantage to skorn is really the TR travel time and the spirit regen passive. In all other ways, it's pretty optional. Thing is, without the spirit skils on your hotbar, Circ breath, etc, you're dropping a lot less bells with a dual wield, which makes the dmg increase from all those buffs wasted (for bells, at least). I assume you're running tclap/cyclones with the dual wield and that's where most of your dmg comes from? Cuz the spirit regen for a bell build is *not* optional, which synergizes so well with skorn, whch is why it's better than dual wield for bells. I mean, i can get 3m bells on my monk too, with my 1450 skorn, combo strike, BoH, blind, etc...but it's not a very effective build for anything except big numbers, lol

This post was edited by kylezo on Feb 14 2013 10:23pm
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Feb 14 2013 10:28pm
Quote (xanadue @ Feb 14 2013 06:58pm)
I have a question for you high-end monk PvP monsters.

I took a hiatus from D3 but am considering coming back with PvP introduced.  I will have about a 5 billion gold budget for gear.

Here is my question:  Would I be able to buy an absolute TOP OF THE LINE PvP gear set with 5b?  Will I have to settle for mediocre?

If any of you guys could reply or PM me with some information on what gearing differences are between pure PvE vs. straight PvP I would appreciate it, don't really know what to look for.


There's really no such thing right now. 5b will get you some really interesting sets, though. Experimentation is still going on, and circumstance varies gear sets extremely widely. I'd advise getting a 1300 dps crit dmg open socket EF, along with a GG block shield with 100+ all res, 200 dex, 200+ vit, 9%+ crit, and 250+ life regen. That'll spend your money and you won't have to bother with a skorn for the high dmg, since that EF will nearly equal skorn even for dot dmg and bells. I personally would much rather have the GG shield/high dps weapon than the 2h, but the truth is skorn is about 200x cheaper.

Other gears should pretty much stack EHP and crit/chd. You'll want an exploding palm SoJ and a bell SoJ depending on what kind of build you are running. (imo, this stuff is all still changing around). I'd recommend MS ice climbers, although the nat set bonus is still really good for getting that extra crit%. Crits kill stuff in pvp, that's the bottom line. Shop for regen on your gear wherever you can. I'm sure some other people will chime in here, I'm not going too far in depth.

Spirit regen on innas helm is a huge boon in pvp. Basically, regen of any kind is extremely valuable. If you can hit 7 spirit/sec and 1500 life/sec, you'll be in pretty good shape. You can drop bells or whatever and get the fuck away, and you'll be a new man in a few seconds.

Also, with that budget, there's no reason not to ditch OwE. The free passive is huge. So get all res everywhere you can. If you can manage 750 res all it'd be nice. however, youre not gonna see numbers like 900 res all without stacking dual res, so there's that.

This post was edited by kylezo on Feb 14 2013 10:32pm
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Feb 14 2013 10:45pm
Got pretty darn lucky with my ammy/shoulder/bracers crafts. Only made about 10 each :P Gloves on the otehr hand, i've already made too many

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Feb 15 2013 12:02am
If only the crit rolls were higher ><

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Feb 15 2013 12:22am
Quote (kylezo @ Feb 14 2013 09:21pm)
Hey dude, I didn't say you were lying, lol. Just that it doesnt' make sense. So, you're not buffing with skorn, then. That makes perfect sense. Cuz that's where your numbers are really coming from. The advantage to skorn is really the TR travel time and the spirit regen passive. In all other ways, it's pretty optional. Thing is, without the spirit skils on your hotbar, Circ breath, etc, you're dropping a lot less bells with a dual wield, which makes the dmg increase from all those buffs wasted (for bells, at least). I assume you're running tclap/cyclones with the dual wield and that's where most of your dmg comes from? Cuz the spirit regen for a bell build is *not* optional, which synergizes so well with skorn, whch is why it's better than dual wield for bells. I mean, i can get 3m bells on my monk too, with my 1450 skorn, combo strike, BoH, blind, etc...but it's not a very effective build for anything except big numbers, lol


Just curious man. What's your point?

Nobody said anything about bell build using DW set up is better than Skorn build.
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Feb 15 2013 12:31am
Quote (jinshin85 @ Feb 15 2013 01:22am)
Just curious man. What's your point?

Nobody said anything about bell build using DW set up is better than Skorn build.


i take it as hes saying, ohhh your using all kinds of buffs, i was thinking people were getting 5 mil crits with just the normal effective skorn bell build.



and im quite a big fan of the dual wield bell dropper, if your attackign with fot/tc fast enough, that alone will give you plenty of spirit regen, you just have to use ti efficiently. like you hav eto look at the whole sceen, see how many monsters there are, and make sures theres atleast 1 left before you move on to the next pack to get in 3 or 4 hits and build up spirit for tempest rush.

like assuming the proc rate impacts spirit regen, im getting nearly 30 spirit a second from fot/tc

but does take a whole lot better spirit management then the skorn bell dropper.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Feb 15 2013 12:42am
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i take it as hes saying, ohhh your using all kinds of buffs, i was thinking people were getting 5 mil crits with just the normal effective skorn bell build.



and im quite a big fan of the dual wield bell dropper, if your attackign with fot/tc fast enough, that alone will give you plenty of spirit regen, you just have to use ti efficiently.  like you hav eto look at the whole sceen, see how many monsters there are, and make sures theres atleast 1 left before you move on to the next pack to get in 3 or 4 hits and build up spirit for tempest rush.

like assuming the proc rate impacts spirit regen, im getting nearly 30 spirit a second from fot/tc


I know it works good with DW too. I've tried it myself. It does work well. Never said it wouldn't.

Skorn build is just different. I've played my monk for more than 6 months using the same DW set up with same skills. That's why I'm kinda into this Skorn bell build these days.

Another reason I like about Skorn build is that I really don't have to hit anything on mp7 plvling solo run. 95% of whites are all 1 bell. I can just TR/Bell/TR/Bell. Have to hit couple seconds for elites and they die with 5-6 bells max usually.

That's all.
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Feb 15 2013 12:43am
Quote (jinshin85 @ Feb 15 2013 01:42am)
I know it works good with DW too. I've tried it myself. It does work well. Never said it wouldn't.

Skorn build is just different. I've played my monk for more than 6 months using the same DW set up with same skills. That's why I'm kinda into this Skorn bell build these days.

Another reason I like about Skorn build is that I really don't have to hit anything on mp7 plvling solo run. 95% of whites are all 1 bell. I can just TR/Bell/TR/Bell. Have to hit couple seconds for elites and they die with 5-6 bells max usually.

That's all.


ah, i spend alot of time playing in groups, i dont really play solo much anymore.
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Feb 15 2013 12:46am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Feb 14 2013 11:43pm)
ah, i spend alot of time playing in groups, i dont really play solo much anymore.


Yeah. I used to play 30min-1hour almost every morning when I was having fun with plvling, then I stopped doing it when I reached 70.

But now with the exp buff, I started doing it again. And this Skorn bell build made it so much easier. I play groups at night though when I'm on.
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