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Jan 22 2013 12:18am
Quote (arthurchn @ Jan 22 2013 10:05am)
Ran a 1250/200dex/socket Az with 1.55 atsp against my 114x /250dex / 110vit EF (75m)
My paper dps drop from 171k to 163k, skill damage drop from 492k to 456k and I am down by 1 atsp break point.

That is detailed math.


that's the answer i was looking for, thanks.
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Jan 22 2013 12:25am
Quote (arthurchn @ Jan 22 2013 03:05pm)
Ran a 1250/200dex/socket Az with 1.55 atsp against my 114x /250dex / 110vit EF (75m)
My paper dps drop from 171k to 163k, skill damage drop from 492k to 456k and I am down by 1 atsp break point.

That is detailed math.


but what about the dps loss from feared away monsters? or the time lost from chasing them down?

:P
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Jan 22 2013 12:45am
Quote (MrDictatoHead @ Jan 21 2013 11:25pm)
but what about the dps loss from feared away monsters? or the time lost from chasing them down?

:P


that's much better than getting surrounded by 4 extra health fat effers with 7 zillion arcanes coming toward at you!

EF FEAR FTW! hehe :D
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Jan 22 2013 12:47am
yah, back when i was doing runs with you guys, fear looked so useful :P splitting the packs is definitely a good defense mechanic! i still hate it though... but i'm inclined to purchase one for pvp...
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Jan 22 2013 12:49am
Quote (kylezo @ Jan 21 2013 11:49pm)
Have you actually done this? Lifesteal in pvp is REALLY...REALLY bad. It calculates your health return AFTER pvp damage mitigation, so LoH is actually waaaaaay better. I'd be amazed to see someone tanking rend in an actual duel from LS alone. With EHP, yeah, you can tank it. Not because of LS though..because of EHP, lol. Stack enough life regen, gtg ;P


I haven't no, but invisuk monk was doing it on his stream earlier today. it works, but require top end gears

he pretty much just out tanked rend barb even when the barb had ignore pain. There are other things the barb could have done, but life steal is definitely effective when you have really good gears.

I am gonna go for something else (will reveal once i actually acquire the gears, dont want 50 monks sniping the same stuff LOL)

This post was edited by PuppetYuber on Jan 22 2013 12:49am
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Jan 22 2013 12:53am
Quote (jinshin85 @ Jan 22 2013 04:45pm)
that's much better than getting surrounded by 4 extra health fat effers with 7 zillion arcanes coming toward at you!

EF FEAR FTW! hehe :D


This

Quote (MrDictatoHead @ Jan 22 2013 04:25pm)
but what about the dps loss from feared away monsters? or the time lost from chasing them down?

:P


I prefer ef as az has less potential, such as that 100vit on my ef and +atsp is awesome for dw
I kinda like that fear now

Trying to hit 3.5 with another 8ias... Going backwards is not ideal ;)

Pvp is a different story, tho
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Jan 22 2013 12:54am
Quote (PuppetYuber @ Jan 22 2013 01:49am)
I haven't no, but invisuk monk was doing it on his stream earlier today. it works, but require top end gears

he pretty much just out tanked rend barb even when the barb had ignore pain. There are other things the barb could have done, but life steal is definitely effective when you have really good gears.

I am gonna go for something else (will reveal once i actually acquire the gears, dont want 50 monks sniping the same stuff LOL)


has any one tested out life steal in diffrent difficulties? maybe its just that in inferno theres still the 80% reduction where as in norm you get the full %.

not that its going to make a huge diffrence, but it would make a diffrence.

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Jan 22 2013 01:12am
Quote (PuppetYuber @ Jan 21 2013 11:49pm)
I haven't no, but invisuk monk was doing it on his stream earlier today. it works, but require top end gears

he pretty much just out tanked rend barb even when the barb had ignore pain. There are other things the barb could have done, but life steal is definitely effective when you have really good gears.

I am gonna go for something else (will reveal once i actually acquire the gears, dont want 50 monks sniping the same stuff LOL)


The reason why Lifesteal or LOH aren't much of a factor against Rend barbs is that the smart barb players do not let us free hit them for a long time.

When I fight steller barb type of guys, me and the barb are both looking for the right timing to engage and evade. Most of our dmg comes from blind/sss/palm. Most of their dmg comes from stun/rend.

No barbs will let us tclap for good period of time unless they are dummies. lol

and this is why i'm literally preaching to you guys to stack life regen instead of loh/lifesteal.

but yeah, dueling barbs is very very fun as most of the time, the fight goes on for quite awhile.

can't wait to get my hands on my new pvp stuff that i've bought.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on Jan 22 2013 01:14am
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Jan 22 2013 01:31am
pretty sure a well geared barb could just tank you out, with high enough ehp + ignore pain they can just frenzy / stun / rend you to death.

bell and sss doesnt even burst a barb with 150k+ hp

that said, invis monk was fighting one that ran around as well, but he just dashing strike + blind and force the barb to fight.

http://www.twitch.tv/invisuk/b/359171758

starts at 3 hours 35 minutes, that said, the barb isnt very good though.

This post was edited by PuppetYuber on Jan 22 2013 01:32am
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Jan 22 2013 03:45am
Quote (jinshin85 @ Jan 21 2013 09:51pm)
Against fat barb, blind palm sss run. Repeat. Lol

Didnt know palm was so useful. When u land a palm on wd or dh, you can see the palm when they are invi. Lol

MAPHACK!!

And I just use sti and owe all the time now. 3rd is flexible.

And lashing tail kick with hand of ytar is gg against a lot of chars.

Go dw set up / get some good spirit regen / spam kicks all day standing still. Let wds and dhs come close to you. Dashing strike when they come. Palm. They run. Kick again from standing still. Lol

And yeah ls fking suck.


Yeah, blind has the same effect, so both very useful against SS :P
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