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Jan 21 2013 10:04pm
for 60mil, i'd have to argue that getting a 800dps 22+% LS/socket WKL is better...
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Jan 21 2013 10:09pm
Quote (kylezo @ Jan 22 2013 06:56am)
This is for pve, yea?

dont waste money on fist then. EF is better. Scales with OH. Get the best one you can for your budget.

If you like, drop the socket and replace with ~60 chd.

1067 dps 165 dex 63% chd 2.9% LS 98m

1047 dps 165 dex 46% chd 2.8% LS 65m

not hard, took longer to type than to find.


But fist for 65 got 1200 dps up to 200 dex, socket and no annoying fear (for pve). And we already have Won Kim as oh.
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Jan 21 2013 10:22pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 21 2013 09:09pm)
But fist for 65 got 1200 dps up to 200 dex, socket and no annoying fear (for pve). And we already have Won Kim as oh.


It seems like you already made up your mind.
Buy the Az ... if you don't like it, sell it and get the EF.
Maybe look at the Butchers .... those are nice too with LS, natural cd and socket.
I was using BS before my WKL.

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Jan 21 2013 10:37pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 21 2013 07:00pm)
I am talking like 60 million Az'turassq which is 1200 dps and 60 millions EF which is crap. Az'turassq is faster, got higher dex roll and can roll nice spirit regen. BTW it got stun instead of fear, which can be godly when stacked. So for low budget which one is better? And will total aps be more with fury or with Az'turassq?


If you like the Az over EF, go with Az. What's the problem here?

You wanted an advice. We all said EF, no?

And yes, for your budget, EF still is the best. I've probably bought like +30 EFs with various budgets for monks on JSP. Some deals were just insane. It's just a matter of you waiting for the right one to pop up on AH.

But, it's your gold, do whatever you want to do with it.
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Jan 21 2013 11:40pm
Quote (jinshin85 @ Jan 22 2013 08:37am)
If you like the Az over EF, go with Az. What's the problem here?

You wanted an advice. We all said EF, no?

And yes, for your budget, EF still is the best. I've probably bought like +30 EFs with various budgets for monks on JSP. Some deals were just insane. It's just a matter of you waiting for the right one to pop up on AH.

But, it's your gold, do whatever you want to do with it.


I didn't make my mind, just wanted to know the math. It's for my friend's monk I am playing wizard and have no clue about dual wielding mechanics. In my mind for 60 mill budget Az'turassq delivers more effective dps, so if anyone can give me math why 1040 60cd Fury is better than 1200 100cd Az'Turasq in terms of both damage and utility, I would greatly appreciate.
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Jan 21 2013 11:49pm
With 60 mil. I can shop a EF with +1100 +200dex +100vital with a socket easy. Maybe I can get a 90% emerald with it too.
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Jan 21 2013 11:49pm
Quote (PuppetYuber @ Jan 21 2013 07:48pm)
not necessarily, with enough ehp and attack speed you could actually tank through ignore pain + rend barb.

edit: i was referring only to the LS as 100% wasted affix.

on fist you should still aim for socket for sure.


Have you actually done this? Lifesteal in pvp is REALLY...REALLY bad. It calculates your health return AFTER pvp damage mitigation, so LoH is actually waaaaaay better. I'd be amazed to see someone tanking rend in an actual duel from LS alone. With EHP, yeah, you can tank it. Not because of LS though..because of EHP, lol. Stack enough life regen, gtg ;P
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Jan 21 2013 11:51pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 21 2013 09:40pm)
I didn't make my mind, just wanted to know the math. It's for my friend's monk I am playing wizard and have no clue about dual wielding mechanics. In my mind for 60 mill budget Az'turassq delivers more effective dps, so if anyone can give me math why 1040 60cd Fury is better than 1200 100cd Az'Turasq in terms of both damage and utility, I would greatly appreciate.


hits harder...decimal aps increase translates to both EF and OH...higher DPS and APS overall. there you go. that's math.
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Jan 21 2013 11:51pm
Against fat barb, blind palm sss run. Repeat. Lol

Didnt know palm was so useful. When u land a palm on wd or dh, you can see the palm when they are invi. Lol

MAPHACK!!

And I just use sti and owe all the time now. 3rd is flexible.

And lashing tail kick with hand of ytar is gg against a lot of chars.

Go dw set up / get some good spirit regen / spam kicks all day standing still. Let wds and dhs come close to you. Dashing strike when they come. Palm. They run. Kick again from standing still. Lol

And yeah ls fking suck.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on Jan 21 2013 11:54pm
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Jan 22 2013 12:05am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 22 2013 03:40pm)
I didn't make my mind, just wanted to know the math. It's for my friend's monk I am playing wizard and have no clue about dual wielding mechanics. In my mind for 60 mill budget Az'turassq delivers more effective dps, so if anyone can give me math why 1040 60cd Fury is better than 1200 100cd Az'Turasq in terms of both damage and utility, I would greatly appreciate.


Ran a 1250/200dex/socket Az with 1.55 atsp against my 114x /250dex / 110vit EF (75m)
My paper dps drop from 171k to 163k, skill damage drop from 492k to 456k and I am down by 1 atsp break point.

That is detailed math.
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