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Sep 23 2013 03:01pm
What a great thread... thanks for the knowledge however I feel as if I do not completely understand what upgrade for me would be next. I will have to post it after work to be judged.
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Sep 23 2013 11:00pm
I have 250mill

What can should I upgrade? or should I keep saving.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Bomber-1689/hero/997610

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Quote (bulldogger @ 24 Sep 2013 07:00)
I have 250mill

What can should I upgrade? or should I keep saving.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Bomber-1689/hero/997610


switch your weapons around, axe has better avg dmg and tornado's won't proc fear.
I would get that wh off and replace with a nice IK belt with 250str/vit. You can replace Bloodthirst with Brawler then and that's more dps at higher MP's.
You will probably need to replace that IAS somewhere... not sure though.

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Sep 24 2013 05:03am
really good job Tboner..

IM still curious.. what do u guys prefer for leg runs / fast runs.

Skorn or dual weal ?:D or when and why do u prefer dw or skorn
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Sep 24 2013 09:20am
Quote (smackme @ Sep 24 2013 01:49am)
switch your weapons around, axe has better avg dmg and tornado's won't proc fear.
I would get that wh off and replace with a nice IK belt with 250str/vit. You can replace Bloodthirst with Brawler then and that's more dps at higher MP's.
You will probably need to replace that IAS somewhere... not sure though.

Thanks ill switch the weapons tonight for less fear, good one.
If i remove my WH my ias would go from 43% down to 35%... this is where I am iffy on replacing the WH... suggestions here please.


Tboner, please advise.
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Sep 24 2013 12:33pm
Hey guys,

I've been running WW and I think that my build is quite far from being effective, I struggle to keep WOTB up with mp5 (maybe I should play with more mp and check it out).

Anyway, I recently got some gold (before that I had almost zero). So basically what should I upgrade if I have around 50-70m? I know that there's a lot of work to do there :)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MrGando-1700/hero/36761065

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Sep 24 2013 04:06pm
Quote (pepe030 @ 15 Feb 2013 09:04)
Hi Guys,

when i use Echoing Fury 0.25 as offhand and an Axe as Mainhand then the calculator says i need 29% ias for Mainhand and 39% ias for offhand to reach a specific breakpoint. Isn't the offhand breakpoint irrelevant since the main dmg output comes from the mainhand?

here the calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjPQvt06HFyJdHJjY1JSVEo5dkI5QUttMzY1Q0pWR2c#gid=147

€: I mean, when i reach the mainhand breakpoint, I'm fine or? :)


iso reply ^^
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Sep 24 2013 05:45pm
Quote (bulldogger @ Sep 23 2013 10:00pm)
I have 250mill

What can should I upgrade? or should I keep saving.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Bomber-1689/hero/997610


looks pretty good,

you will have to replace echoing fury tho if you want to hit ideal breakpoints (with a .21/.22 echo you need 5*ias items to hit 2.5 breakpoint, whereas with a .23-.25 echo you can use 4 ias items and hit it)

other then that im not a huge fan of hellfire ring, the exp gain just isnt really worth it since its not multiplicative, and especially since it has no crit chance and your crit chance is already lower since your helm doesnt have it

Quote (bi_a_op @ Sep 24 2013 03:06pm)
iso reply ^^


? that wasnt your post but breakpoints matter on both weapons since the tick rate goes by last weapon swung before sprint was pressed

Quote (MrGando @ Sep 24 2013 11:33am)
Hey guys,

I've been running WW and I think that my build is quite far from being effective, I struggle to keep WOTB up with mp5 (maybe I should play with more mp and check it out).

Anyway, I recently got some gold (before that I had almost zero). So basically what should I upgrade if I have around 50-70m? I know that there's a lot of work to do there :)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MrGando-1700/hero/36761065


you are one ias item short from the 2.5 breakpoint (you need 33% ias from items with a .25 echo fury)

perhaps you are killing too fast in mp5? i doubt it but maybe, or you just arent playing in high density areas or arent spamming your fury down when its full

your barb is actually built quite well other then you need one more ias item, your ammy needs an upgrade (get at least 7.5CC and 65% CHD along with str, maybe vita too but tbh you are pretty good on life)

also an easy upgrade is IK belt (get 250+str with some vita)

This post was edited by Tboner on Sep 24 2013 05:53pm
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Quote (Tboner @ Sep 24 2013 06:45pm)
looks pretty good,

you will have to replace echoing fury tho if you want to hit ideal breakpoints (with a .21/.22 echo you need 5*ias items to hit 2.5 breakpoint, whereas with a .23-.25 echo you can use 4 ias items and hit it)

other then that im not a huge fan of hellfire ring, the exp gain just isnt really worth it since its not multiplicative, and especially since it has no crit chance and your crit chance is already lower since your helm doesnt have it


This is the part where it is a little confusing to me.
Are you calculating 2.5 with wotb or w/o?

If we are talking wotb, then even with my .21 Echoing Fury(main hand) I hit 2.52 aps and w/ my fighting legacy I hit 2.69 with as my main hand while wotb.

My question is, what would benefit me more, having my EF as my main hand or Fighting legacy has my mainhand... this part I do not understand. Maces are slower so that does that make a diff where it sits? Someone sugguested to have my EF on my OH because of the proc fear as a MH.

thanks,
bomber

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Sep 24 2013 09:35pm
Quote (bulldogger @ Sep 24 2013 07:47pm)
This is the part where it is a little confusing to me.
Are you calculating 2.5 with wotb or w/o?

If we are talking wotb, then even with my .21 Echoing Fury(main hand) I hit 2.52 aps  and w/ my fighting legacy I hit 2.69 with as my main hand while wotb.

My question is, what would benefit me more, having my EF as my main hand or Fighting legacy has my mainhand... this part I do not understand. Maces are slower so that does that make a diff where it sits? Someone sugguested to have my EF on my OH because of the proc fear as a MH.

thanks,
bomber


your EF is really bad for mainhand, definately use the axe, it has higher raw damage

and yes you hit 2.5 with your axe but you shouldnt be hitting 2.5 with a .21 EF and 35% ias.. maybe you are using enchantress? which you shouldnt be, scoundrel is best

1.41 base speed * 1.75 = 2.467

1.43 base speed * 1.75 = 2.5025

this is why you want at least a .23 echo fury

This post was edited by Tboner on Sep 24 2013 09:39pm
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