Cm frost nova explosive builds are not that effective anymore come 1.0.5, you need to use more of an archon or healing blade type build.

The videos you saw mostly were from 1.0.3 and they were really good, for the cost of a few mil you can build a wiz that stream roll act 3. This is no longer possible and you should use other builds instead.

I could link you to an actual frost nova/explosive build but they will no longer perm freeze, and since explosive is such close range you'll end up taking heavy hits and will need to invest a lot to balance dps, apoc, hp, res, armor.

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Thinking of what kind of Templar I should build

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sorry but to me your comment is fairly incorrect.
I tested cm frostnova wizz in many different skill options and it will be the most viable build in 1.05 mp4++.
You still freeze nearly as good as before.
Maybe thats just me, but with the hellfire ring i can farm mp8 easily with my live char equip. Seems valid to me

HELP!!! i cant decide... i just bought a echo fury 1164 + 168 int + 64%cd + socket..(200mils),

And atm i m useing cuntadoes will with 1062dps + socket..!!

Should i keep the echo fury until next patch or should i just sell it (PC?) or should i buy a cuntadoes with 1150+ dps + socket?

Useing Cuntadadoes force atm!! and i love the speed.....

chantodos is going to be sub par compared to echoing fury / trium next patch, I'd sell the chantodos and buy a gnarly trium before prices go up on em.

Ok, are u guys really sure about triumvirate? i have been wacthing oculus and maybe even chan Force with apoc.. But its really hard to decide..

Tals armor or Zuni set armor (3-piece bonus)?

Also on helm which is better Andariels / Twilight / Tals?

This post was edited by Smokey-101- on Oct 3 2012 04:45pm

i didnt try ptr and most likely I will not be able so what you guys think, would ms be worth having in 1.05? from what people say sounds like in mp10 will be no use for sure, what about lower mp? If you tried mp4-mp7 some feedback pls?

Imo:

If u have enough money to buy Tals armor With allres, it's best opinion. Then buy zuni boots+ zuni ring for 130 intel bonus. In 1.05 u gonna need much more resist! So if u dont have enough money to buy Tal with allres u should go with zunimassa. Try to get one with +200 armor.
I didn't personally like andy cause that fire damage taken (Molten and dead). So I would choose Tal helm, massive life bonus and nice intel + awesome crit dmg and soc.
Mempo is too overrated and overpriced. I would wait that it could get least right rolls in drop. It's bugged and cannot get atm *100-200 intel bonus. So when blizz fix this->all low intel twilight will drop price like grazy.

are there any items to look out for getting pre-patch (triumvirate) or do you think its fine to start a sorc from scratch after the new patch hit?