Quote (Shirl86 @ Jun 28 2012 02:48am)

Taking an in-depth look at some skills+runes and got a few questions/considerations:

Hungering Arrow - Spray of Teeth
This skill is somehow interesting... the base dmg of Hungering Arrow is +115%, the rune says that, if u crit, it makes a small explosion of teeths for 50% dmg... now... with SS we know that the "perma crits" effect lasts 1 sec, therefore it affect up to 2-3 arrows and, ofc also the rune's effect.
I noticed that spray of teeth also hits the primary target and, since to make it work it must be a crit, the primary target gets the direct hit (+crit) + teeths (+crits) and all the other targets get teeths only (+crits)... multiply this for 2 arrows and, if it pierce, even more... u get some actual crazy dmg!

Let's say we have 50k DPS and 200% crit dmg... u fire 2 arrows, 1 of them pierce so it's basically 3 arrows dealing:
Primary target gets: 50k DPS * 115% + 200% + (25k DPS * 200%)*3
Around targets get: (25k DPS * 200%)*3
Is this madness? lol
It would be almost always better than Devouring Arrow since it deals a standard 165% on crit (and every respectable DH as a 30%+ crit chance), while Devouring deals 185% when pierce... if they both pierce + crit that would be:
Devouring: 115% + 185% + 200%
Spray of Teeth: 165% + 165% + 200% + AoE!!

Evasive Fire - Covering Fire
This skill deals 125% dmg and with this rune, fires up to 3 targets... i never tried it so my question is:
does it fire ALWAYS to 3 targets or just when we backflip?
This one is interesting also because there isnt actually a "flying arrow" it's an insta-shot that never miss (correct me if i'm wrong about this)
Therefore if it's a 3*125% shoots that got 100% chance to hit it would be actually very good vs kiting monsters!

What do u think about these 2 skills?
/discuss!

Quote (manduki @ Jun 28 2012 10:12am)

evasive fire is definitely a viable left click option as your hatred generator. It hits up to 3 enemies but you have to aim it. The backflip can be annoying at times and when you're stuck in a corner its a huge discipline eater. I beat inferno act 3 with this + cluster arrow as my right click.

Quote (Shirl86 @ Jun 28 2012 03:48am)

Taking an in-depth look at some skills+runes and got a few questions/considerations:

Hungering Arrow - Spray of Teeth
This skill is somehow interesting... the base dmg of Hungering Arrow is +115%, the rune says that, if u crit, it makes a small explosion of teeths for 50% dmg... now... with SS we know that the "perma crits" effect lasts 1 sec, therefore it affect up to 2-3 arrows and, ofc also the rune's effect.
I noticed that spray of teeth also hits the primary target and, since to make it work it must be a crit, the primary target gets the direct hit (+crit) + teeths (+crits) and all the other targets get teeths only (+crits)... multiply this for 2 arrows and, if it pierce, even more... u get some actual crazy dmg!

Let's say we have 50k DPS and 200% crit dmg... u fire 2 arrows, 1 of them pierce so it's basically 3 arrows dealing:
Primary target gets: 50k DPS * 115% + 200% + (25k DPS * 200%)*3
Around targets get: (25k DPS * 200%)*3
Is this madness? lol
It would be almost always better than Devouring Arrow since it deals a standard 165% on crit (and every respectable DH as a 30%+ crit chance), while Devouring deals 185% when pierce... if they both pierce + crit that would be:
Devouring: 115% + 185% + 200%
Spray of Teeth: 165% + 165% + 200% + AoE!!

Evasive Fire - Covering Fire
This skill deals 125% dmg and with this rune, fires up to 3 targets... i never tried it so my question is:
does it fire ALWAYS to 3 targets or just when we backflip?
This one is interesting also because there isnt actually a "flying arrow" it's an insta-shot that never miss (correct me if i'm wrong about this)
Therefore if it's a 3*125% shoots that got 100% chance to hit it would be actually very good vs kiting monsters!

What do u think about these 2 skills?
/discuss!

Quote (Azn Masta @ Jun 28 2012 09:19am)

i prefer my devouring vs siege breaker or diablo or izzy where kiting + keeping a safe range is nice...

also i fight diablo like this and the ticks of ball lighting/NT + elemental damage from quiver = more heal than cluster bomb's 3shot nukes

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbR9yvF_VhQ




have u tried and tested that vs a boss? fight a boss with devouring and than fight him with spray. maybe hell azmo or something and time which one clears faster

Quote (Shirl86 @ Jun 28 2012 10:21am)

no still not tested, well not accurately, i tried em all ofc... without paying much attention, had free time on work and these considerations came into my mind and i wanted to share them

Quote (manduki @ Jun 28 2012 10:24am)

Agree with you that devouring is much faster for bosses. But trash mob clearing is better with evasive fire because I can't spam my right click like NT or BL.

I also chose to go the "non ias" route. I'm using a crossbow with almost no ias. Always kiting though so I prefer harder hitting shots per arrow NOT per second.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Jun 28 2012 09:25am)

test it out for me:
1) do 3 runs of hell azmo and fight him with only devouring arrow. no mark of death no nothing else. - just hold down left click

2) then 3 runs with hell azmo and only use spray of teeth. no mark of death no nothing else. - just hold down left click

3) average out the clear time for each run (only count from first hit to last hit)...


if its less than say... o i dunno 5 secs or so diff than spray is better (since it can have potential for better aoe), but if it takes a margin longer, than devouring >





ahh yea.. i cant handle attacking slower than ~2APS. irritates me cuz i used to run at 4APS xD

Quote (manduki @ Jun 28 2012 10:35am)

Hehe perhaps the difference comes from us playing assassin vs amazon on D2

Quote (Azn Masta @ Jun 28 2012 09:37am)

Wouldnt u like more attack speed being used to 7fps?

Quote (manduki @ Jun 28 2012 10:42am)

I do miss the attack speed :(. But if you have a wide damage range (eg. gmb) you absolutely need the speed. Bows and 1h crossbows have good damage but the speed is too slow for the wide damage range with decent ias gear. (of course when I am able to afford ias, crit, crit chance, dex gear I'll switch to 1h bow)

Speed is immaterial in kiting (eg. magic arrow duels)