Quote (Sanctumxz @ Jan 23 2013 06:12pm)
2.5/2.5 Mace/830dps Echo (str/chd/soc) + 570ar/80str/200vit/45res/2soc pants = 682k DPS 385k EHP Cost: 50-60M
2.2/2.86 Mace/Sword(ias/str/chd/soc) + 90 vit Inna's = 652k DPS 355K EHP Cost: 15-17M
2.5/2.5 Mace/930dps Echo (str/soc) + 570ar/80str/200vit/45res/2soc pants = 630k DPS 385k EHP Cost: 9-11M. If you buy an Echo that pushes the total cost to 15-17M then you are only 10k DPS behind.
Okay, I'll spell it out for you one last time, then I'm done arguing over this because if you are still gungho for mace/sword afterwards, then by all means, do you.
You are comparing mace/ef to mace/sword with the only difference being 9% ias inna's pants. This means, you are sitting at 37-41% ias when you are in your mace/ef setup. This is a waste of ias and that's why your mace/ef setup is less dps per gold (and this is why I said earlier you can't compare the weapons in a vacuum, which you then proceeded to do). You are treating the echoing fury as an expensive stat stick, because you don't realize that the main benefit of ef isn't the str, socket, or chd, but the fact that its .2X aps affects both weapons. This allows you to achieve good breakpoints with fewer pieces of gear w/ ias. (And yes, any ias above a breakpoint is "wasted" because it doesn't affect ww or nado damage at all. It will only affect your bash/frenzy damage which accounts for probably 1% of your overall damage.)
This is important because in the 4 trifecta slots, gloves, ammy, and rings, you want to max out avg dmg (for jewelry), str, cc, chd, vit or AR (for gloves). Adding any amount of ias to those other stats makes the item extremely costly. Search for 30 avg dmg/60 str/4.5 cc/30 chd ring. You'll find a lot of decently priced rings under 5m. Add ias to that search and the cheapest one is 200m. The alternative is to go with cc/ias only and drop chd, but then that defeats the whole purpose of getting a cheap offhand with chd. This is the main difference between needing 33-35% ias and needing 46-50%. You can hit 33-35% ias without touching a single trifecta slot (mempo, inna's, lacunis, witching hour) or with ias in one trifecta piece if you use IK belt (mempo, inna's, lacunis, rare gloves). 46-50% requires six pieces of gear with ias, which means you're sacrificing a lot of chd or a lot of gold, both of which render your argument of a cheap, effective alternative moot.
There is a place for sword/dagger offhands, and that is true budget builds or starter builds. When I first started, I used Axe/Dagger for a while, at least 30-40 paragon levels, before I saved enough money. Then I upgraded to Mace/EF in one shot because of the flexibility it offered.