Quote (fentr @ Jan 23 2013 07:48am)

Trifectas with just vit?  Or trifectas with avg dmg/str/vit?  Even searching for 7/4/x trifecta with just vit is 13m+.  And it's pure garbage.  You can kiss that 5k dps increase goodbye if you fail to get avg dmg and str on your rings.

Your whole argument is flawed because you're claiming some sort of budget restrictions without actually saying what the restrictions are.  What's our budget?  You can't compare weapons in a vacuum because Mace/Dagger or Mace/Sword will require different ias than Mace/EF.  The whole point of this exercise is, considering some reasonable budget, the CHD you supposedly gain from your rare OH will be lost in your jewelry when you need to compensate for the increased ias.

Also, linking to a damage calc doesn't prove anything.  You have to show us what gear you shoved in there and what it all cost.  Then, we can compare and try to build a different one with the same budget restrictions.  Waving your hand and saying "you can get decent trifectas with 80ish vit for 10mil>" doesn't make it true, or even define what "decent" is.



Are you high?  Search for sword or dagger 8ias/150str/80chd/os and you certainly won't find something sub 2m.  I even searched for 8/130/70chd/os and cheapest sword was 5m and dagger was 14m.  Again, what is our actual budget here that we're arguing over?

Not to mention that an 8% ias sword doesn't even sync with 1.2 mace.  For 8% ias sword (1.51 speed), you would need 50% ias to hit 2.86, and you need 46% with 1.2 mace to hit 2.22.  You should be aiming for 11% ias sword for 1.55 speed for better sync.  Still, 46% ias over 33-35% is a big difference on a budget, of which of course you still haven't told us.

Quote (SaMa @ Jan 23 2013 07:38am)

Is, at any point, better to use a SWORD (15% dmg) than a MACE/AXE (10%cc) as MainHand?

Quote (fentr @ Jan 23 2013 11:48am)

Trifectas with just vit?  Or trifectas with avg dmg/str/vit?  Even searching for 7/4/x trifecta with just vit is 13m+.  And it's pure garbage.  You can kiss that 5k dps increase goodbye if you fail to get avg dmg and str on your rings.

Your whole argument is flawed because you're claiming some sort of budget restrictions without actually saying what the restrictions are.  What's our budget?  You can't compare weapons in a vacuum because Mace/Dagger or Mace/Sword will require different ias than Mace/EF.  The whole point of this exercise is, considering some reasonable budget, the CHD you supposedly gain from your rare OH will be lost in your jewelry when you need to compensate for the increased ias.

Also, linking to a damage calc doesn't prove anything.  You have to show us what gear you shoved in there and what it all cost.  Then, we can compare and try to build a different one with the same budget restrictions.  Waving your hand and saying "you can get decent trifectas with 80ish vit for 10mil>" doesn't make it true, or even define what "decent" is.



Are you high?  Search for sword or dagger 8ias/150str/80chd/os and you certainly won't find something sub 2m.  I even searched for 8/130/70chd/os and cheapest sword was 5m and dagger was 14m.  Again, what is our actual budget here that we're arguing over?

Not to mention that an 8% ias sword doesn't even sync with 1.2 mace.  For 8% ias sword (1.51 speed), you would need 50% ias to hit 2.86, and you need 46% with 1.2 mace to hit 2.22.  You should be aiming for 11% ias sword for 1.55 speed for better sync.  Still, 46% ias over 33-35% is a big difference on a budget, of which of course you still haven't told us.

Quote (SaMa @ Jan 23 2013 10:38am)

Is, at any point, better to use a SWORD (15% dmg) than a MACE/AXE (10%cc) as MainHand?

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1. Tornadoes do 20% main hand base weapon damage per tick. Base weapon damage is the value below DPS in the weapon window. A simplified damage formula (per tick) = 0.2 * (base weapon damage) * (1 + strength/100) * (1 + sum of damage bonuses from skills and gear/100). A critical hit then multiplies the result by (1 + total critical hit damage/100). To calculate your DPS, just multiply the damage per tick by the tick frequency according to the chart I provide below.

Quote (Sanctumxz @ Jan 23 2013 04:55pm)

I clearly said it's better if you can hit the 2.86 ias bp :)  Try to search a bit more and snipe items at the last minute; I sniped 3 swords already for sub 500k.  One was 10/100/99chd/os, another was pretty close. Funny how you think that 4%"wasted" ias on your mainhand is horrible, it's really not. You're acting as if crit/ias rings are much more expensive than crit/chd. 8ias/30-35chd/7-8crit/60-80 vit trifectas (gloves) are under 10mil, you could also buy Ias IK gloves if you want. I'm not saying this is extremly budget, but it's pretty damn budget if you make correct purchases.


I don't know why you're getting angry, I'm just telling you because I was surprised with the results, and trying to explain them. The only difference you would find between my build and another build at similar price is no inna's and maybe crit/chd rings(they are VERY SLIGHTLY cheaper).


It's simple: if you can hit 2.86 bp (which is easier than you think) a 70k (not really, more like 2-3M) sword is equal to a 60M-70M Echoing Fury.

Quote (fentr @ Jan 23 2013 06:35pm)

We can't find any difference between your build and another because you haven't posted your build.  You have just made some vague claims about your build and its benefits; please by all means, post a link.

If you claim you can snipe swords for 15% of their buyout value so can we claim the same on echoing fury (funny also that you were claiming 30-40m EFs in earlier posts now you boast you can beat 60-70M EFs!)

You still have not defined any numbers on your budget, so we don't know what "pretty damn budget" means.  I'm not angry, but there's no point to having meaningful discussion when you won't back up your claims with some hard numbers and links to your build and your budget, etc.  I could claim I made a 150k unbuffed dagger MH mace OH barb but nobody would pay any attention unless I posted some proof beyond posting a naked link to d3rawr.

Quote (sakrai @ Jan 23 2013 08:42pm)

Hey guys, this is my Barb:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sakrai-1282/hero/21753823

I've spent all my gold building this character, which cost me ~400m, personally, I feel like I've overpaid for some of my pieces, but I'm not too bothered about it.

Anyway, it seems like I'm at a point where gear prices are getting pretty crazy for me, and since I'm not too familiar with the higher tier of gear, I am looking for opinions on what I should look for. Recently, I dropped my non-crit Mempo for the Andariels, due to the incoming molten nerf/plague buff, and I do fine on the PTR MP6.

So, what do you guys think?

Thanks!

Quote (fentr @ Jan 23 2013 11:30pm)

Nice barb, that's not bad for 400m spent.  You are definitely in the mid-high tier where upgrades are into the gg range and will cost hundreds of millions.  Gotta ask yourself what your goals are, i.e. plvling, MFing, pvping, high mp ubers, and upgrade accordingly.  Your rare ring could be better, it has elite avg dmg, but kind of underwhelming everywhere else.  You should look into a 200+ vit IK chest which will free you up to drop vit elsewhere if you need to.  Your innas pants could be better for sure, but str/vit or 180+ vit will definitely be 200m+.  You look a little glass cannony to me, but as long as you're fine playing it its not a problem.