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Apr 15 2013 05:50am
Quote (jackherer @ Apr 15 2013 12:46pm)
I play with non legacy aswell I bought my non legacy recently for levelling and fell in love :P

discipline is not a prob in higher mps that's for sure


Its not a problem because we are using 2 passives for it. Increasing base disc regen would also go along way to making the class more enjoyable.
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Apr 15 2013 06:15am
And why no Discipline on Crit, like APOC for Wizz or Battle Cry for barbs ? I mean, Nightstalker is far to be a good passiv. We do take it because we have no choice, especially in High MP's where vendetta isn't that relevant since you don't get as many globes as in low MP's. DH needs a complete focus from the dev team, they have to redesign its ressource management, maybe they should give discipline on crit as a Natalya's bonus. It would give us other passiv choices.
Talking about passivs, they have to focus on them too, because 80% are garbage.

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Apr 15 2013 07:01am
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Its not a problem because we are using 2 passives for it. Increasing base disc regen would also go along way to making the class more enjoyable.


I agree it would be nice, but i would hate that since I have heavily invested in legacy nats items! lol
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Apr 15 2013 07:08am
Problem is lack of good damage aoe skill.
Think about it, if you had infinite disc and hatred, right now, even if you could do perma smoke screen, and spam whatever spender you want, with 500k dps. It would be still shit compared to other classes. Spiketraps or cluster bomb just suck compared to mechanics other classes have, too small range, delays.
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Problem is lack of good damage aoe skill.
Think about it, if you had infinite disc and hatred, right now, even if you could do perma smoke screen, and spam whatever spender you want, with 500k dps. It would be still shit compared to other classes. Spiketraps or cluster bomb just suck compared to mechanics other classes have, too small range, delays.


As I said before, updated grenade build is good to farm MP10 and pretty fast. I got my new ring yersterday night so I'm gonna make a video to show how funny and efficient it can be, by playing alone as playing with a good team !
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Apr 15 2013 09:16am
I'd like to see that, but I saw multiple streamers with ridiculous gear, and their chars just sucked, they are even slow at mp5 compared to other classes ;/
Grenades are for resource regen, they work sure, but they deal no damage. You must use spike traps, and their range is limited, they have delay, they are restricted by resource (can't spam it freely with 3 aps), and even if you could spam it, you have limit of how many you can set..

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Apr 15 2013 09:23am
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I'd like to see that, but I saw multiple streamers with ridiculous gear, and their chars just sucked, they are even slow at mp5 compared to other classes ;/
Grenades are for resource regen, they work sure, but they deal no damage. You must use spike traps, and their range is limited, they have delay, they are restricted by resource (can't spam it freely with 3 aps), and even if you could spam it, you have limit of how many you can set..


cluster grenades are actually pretty damn strong prob one of the stronger hatred generators
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Apr 15 2013 09:28am
Throw cluster grenades that deal 112% weapon damage as Fire over an 8 yard radius.

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Apr 15 2013 09:39am
Quote (ae1337 @ Apr 15 2013 03:28pm)
Throw cluster grenades that deal 112% weapon damage as Fire over an 8 yard radius.

:/


try it out you will be surprised
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Apr 15 2013 09:49am
Of course I have tried it. I didn't say it is weakest hatred generator. But you can't possibly take this skill seriously as efficient high mp farming damage dealer.
We are comparing dh to other classes. Barbs never use their fury generators, they spam their strongest nuke skill. At current balance state, using any skill but the strongest spender is a waste of dps. Wd uses bears, monk either wol or sweeping wind proc spam, exploding palm, wizard combination of many skills in sns build (very good damage multiplier).

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