I have two big questions to ask, and they are in regards to how to best spend gold to improve my barb.

If I had 160 mil, what should my next upgrade(s) be?

What SHOULD I upgrade, even if I need to save more gold for the next two big purchases?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Phunishment-1108/hero/830475

Thanks in advance!

you do know that echo is faster then a sword.. right? and is only a little slower then a dagger, also for these swords/daggers to actually give a dps increase you need a pricey crit gem in them

and ur not taking into account the fact that 2.5-2.86 compared to 2.0 or 2.2 and 2.5/2.86 aps both sides make your fury regen much better / can keep up WOTB better = more efficient

usually budget barbs are for noob barbs who are terrible at keeping fury up, so having 2.5/2.5 helps them a lot

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 23 2013 03:23am

Sword with 750 dps 8%+ ias 150 str 80% critdmg soc shouldn't be more than 2mil. That .6-.10 faster speed makes a huge difference considering it's the difference between having to use witching hour or not for 2.86 bp.

I got my 767 dps 152 str 66 dex 70 vit 8% ias 79% critdmg soc for 70k. Is 2.2/2.86 really worse regen than 2.5/2.5? I don't have problems keeping up WOTB anyways. The pricey crit gem applies to the echo too.

Maybe a 6%+ attack speed Echo with str and soc is higher dps than sword, havn't tested it. Edit: The answer is no, it's str/crit/soc with witching hour or bust and for that you already need a very elite barb.

This post was edited by Sanctumxz on Jan 23 2013 03:42am

going for 2.86 isnt smart on a budget even with a 1.5 base weapon, you just sacrifice too much.

What do you sacrifice?

Lacunis Inna's Trifectas Rings Mempo

the only thing that really hurts is the inna's, but you gain a lot of dps for what is only a maybe 100 vit 70-100 str loss. (mentioning the str despite big dps gain because str does provide some ehp)

This post was edited by Sanctumxz on Jan 23 2013 04:38am

how much ias do i need from other items when using mace + ef ?

/e

just founded another topic with ias bps
sorry ^^

This post was edited by Hubson on Jan 23 2013 05:13am

innas, trifecta is not budget. and you wont have enough resists/armor with that gear, i make balanced barbs

the only difference compared to other barb builds you make would be the inna's and maybe the trifectas and you can get decent trifectas with 80ish vit for 10mil>

Is, at any point, better to use a SWORD (15% dmg) than a MACE/AXE (10%cc) as MainHand?

Trifectas with just vit? Or trifectas with avg dmg/str/vit? Even searching for 7/4/x trifecta with just vit is 13m+. And it's pure garbage. You can kiss that 5k dps increase goodbye if you fail to get avg dmg and str on your rings.

Your whole argument is flawed because you're claiming some sort of budget restrictions without actually saying what the restrictions are. What's our budget? You can't compare weapons in a vacuum because Mace/Dagger or Mace/Sword will require different ias than Mace/EF. The whole point of this exercise is, considering some reasonable budget, the CHD you supposedly gain from your rare OH will be lost in your jewelry when you need to compensate for the increased ias.

Also, linking to a damage calc doesn't prove anything. You have to show us what gear you shoved in there and what it all cost. Then, we can compare and try to build a different one with the same budget restrictions. Waving your hand and saying "you can get decent trifectas with 80ish vit for 10mil>" doesn't make it true, or even define what "decent" is.



Are you high? Search for sword or dagger 8ias/150str/80chd/os and you certainly won't find something sub 2m. I even searched for 8/130/70chd/os and cheapest sword was 5m and dagger was 14m. Again, what is our actual budget here that we're arguing over?

Not to mention that an 8% ias sword doesn't even sync with 1.2 mace. For 8% ias sword (1.51 speed), you would need 50% ias to hit 2.86, and you need 46% with 1.2 mace to hit 2.22. You should be aiming for 11% ias sword for 1.55 speed for better sync. Still, 46% ias over 33-35% is a big difference on a budget, of which of course you still haven't told us.