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Jun 7 2012 02:12pm
So I changed my passives. Im now rolling with

Resolves, One with Everything, and Seize the Iniative.

Also, is there a better mantra I should be using? Im using manta of healing with boon of inspiration.



Just bought that shield for 85,000. Figured it would work for now.

This post was edited by AnotherDeadHero on Jun 7 2012 02:13pm
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Jun 7 2012 02:17pm
Wow yeah, get a new weapon dude. I vendor axes like the one you posted.

Lifesteal is severely nerfed at the moment. There's a hidden 80% effectiveness reduction in Inferno. You can buy a significantly better axe on the AH for less than 10k.

All things equal, I personally prefer swords and fists - they provide a nice balance between burst damage and attack speed -- but if you're shopping for super high end stuff, then just go for the highest dps you can get without really paying too much attention to attack speed.

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Wow yeah, get a new weapon dude.  I vendor axes like the one you posted.


lmao yeah that was shitty as fuck.



Thats what Im using now, not much better really. BUT HEY, IM POOR AS SHIT MAN
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Jun 7 2012 02:23pm
Keep in mind also that if you DW, your two weapons need to be close to each other in DPS, or your autoattack DPS is going to drop significantly (vs. just using 1h+shield). That's because when you DW, you alternate hits between weapons, so the lower DPS weapon gets used half the time, as opposed to your higher DPS weapon being used all the time when you wear a shield.

Also, LoH weapons are totally not worth compromising DPS for unless it's like, over 400 LoH or something. I'd rather use an 800 pure dps 1-hander than that weapon, tbh.

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Keep in mind also that if you DW, your two weapons need to be close to each other in DPS, or your autoattack DPS is going to drop significantly (vs. just using 1h+shield).  That's because when you DW, you alternate hits between weapons, so the lower DPS weapon gets used half the time, as opposed to your higher DPS weapon being used all the time when you wear a shield.

Also, LoH weapons are totally not worth compromising DPS for unless it's like, over 400 LoH or something.  I'd rather use an 800 pure dps 1-hander than that weapon, tbh.


So I should look for a higher DPS weapon and not really worry about LoH?
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Jun 7 2012 02:27pm
Unless you can find an amazing 700+ dps weapon with 400+ LoH for the same price, I'd go with buying a plain ol' 800-900 dps weapon for now. More bang for the buck on a tight budget.

I'm sure there's some DPS breakpoint that you need to hit on weapons (I'd say 700 is a decent guesstimate) before it even becomes worthwhile to drop DPS for LoH. The exact tradeoff between DPS and LoH is something I have no formula for though.

But really though, it's just a matter of common sense. If you're not going to be able to get to anywhere near 1k LoH, what's the point in sacrificing so much gearing options just to have a paltry 300-400 LoH? If your problem is not being able to kill mobs quickly enough, fix that problem first.

The way I see it: get enough DPS so that you can do enough damage in the 6-8 second window you have from a Flash+Serenity combo. Get enough armor so that most mobs won't 1-shot you with unavoidable melee/range damage (i.e. archers and regular melee mobs without huge backswings) so that you can recover from bursts with a BoH+Pot.

Don't worry about LoH until you can reliably kill stuff by kiting and DPSing inside Flash+Serenity and survive hits from most white mobs. This allows you to actually kill stuff, even if it means doing it slowly.

From there, stacking LoH into your build just allows you to (relatively) safely DPS even without Flash+Serenity - i.e. allows you to speed up your kills as well as allow you to take on tougher packs by increasing your time to do DPS. It's not an automagic 'I win' stat that lets you clear Inferno with ease.


edit: RE- mantra -- I tried Mantra of Healing with the LoH rune but found it to be pretty ineffective. I got more mileage out of Mantra of Evasion with Hard Target or Mantra of Conviction with Overawe. The latter is much harder to use because you become a softer target, and actively using Overawe is a huge spirit drain (but BoH buff + Flash buff + full stack Sweeping Wind + Overawe = drool dps).

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Unless you can find an amazing 700+ dps weapon with 400+ LoH for the same price, I'd go with buying a plain ol' 800-900 dps weapon for now.  More bang for the buck on a tight budget.

I'm sure there's some DPS breakpoint that you need to hit on weapons (I'd say 700 is a decent guesstimate) before it even becomes worthwhile to drop DPS for LoH.  The exact tradeoff between DPS and LoH is something I have no formula for though.

But really though, it's just a matter of common sense.  If you're not going to be able to get to anywhere near 1k LoH, what's the point in sacrificing so much gearing options just to have a paltry 300-400 LoH?  If your problem is not being able to kill mobs quickly enough, fix that problem first.

The way I see it:  get enough DPS so that you can do enough damage in the 6-8 second window you have from a Flash+Serenity combo.  Get enough armor so that most mobs won't 1-shot you with unavoidable melee/range damage (i.e. archers and regular melee mobs without huge backswings) so that you can recover from bursts with a BoH+Pot.

Don't worry about LoH until you can reliably kill stuff by kiting and DPSing inside Flash+Serenity and survive hits from most white mobs.  This allows you to actually kill stuff, even if it means doing it slowly.

From there, stacking LoH into your build just allows you to (relatively) safely DPS even without Flash+Serenity - i.e. allows you to speed up your kills as well as allow you to take on tougher packs by increasing your time to do DPS.  It's not an automagic 'I win' stat that lets you clear Inferno with ease.


edit: RE- mantra -- I tried Mantra of Healing with the LoH rune but found it to be pretty ineffective.  I got more mileage out of Mantra of Evasion with Hard Target or Mantra of Conviction with Overawe.  The latter is much harder to use because you become a softer target, and actively using Overawe is a huge spirit drain (but BoH buff + Flash buff + full stack Sweeping Wind + Overawe = drool dps).


Sounds good man, thank you for your help. Im sitting 53k right now so i think farming is an order.

Im sure ill be back ;D
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Jun 7 2012 04:24pm
Which belt should I use, cold stacking btw. Friend can trade me either of these but the 1st will cost 1M+ more than the 2nd

Without the belts I'm about 800res give or take, wondering whether I should go for the res or dex/vit one(cheaper) .



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Jun 7 2012 04:42pm
Tough choice. The first belt has higher resale value (obviously, since it costs more), but for your stats, the second one may actually be a better way to go. Are you going to be dropping any resists as a result of this gear change?
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Tough choice.  The first belt has higher resale value (obviously, since it costs more), but for your stats, the second one may actually be a better way to go.  Are you going to be dropping any resists as a result of this gear change?


No either belt will be an improvement on both fronts. Probably go with the 2nd belt since it's cheaper, just hate losing possible 80 res lol
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