Yea don't get me wrong thought about sun keepers already, but they can't outroll a rare spear, also the damage range is just too low on the sun keepers.

most importantly can't roll VIT on sun keepers, which is the most important stat

BT boots can be good, but still testing.

1192 dps spear has 726-1261 dmg compared to my 540-1082 sun keeper (973 dps). Its def higher. Alot higher. But those 10% more dmg from sun keeper deals more dmg in the end when adding all dmg factors than the raw dmg on the spear. At least based on the theorycrafting i´ve done so far. I mean yes, the 10% dmg is added always and looks good on sheet but is useless on all non crit hits with rend but imo you need a really f-ing high end spear to out damage a Sun Keeper even on those crit hit rends.

Im also looking for dat spear thats for sure thou

Btw - reduce rend cost on belt is not wasted imo. Soj + rend belt gives a 10 fury cost which gives you more room for errors/offensive moves etc. Allows you to play more agressive which is good imo.

10% isn't enough to overcome a huge wep range difference, and that's a perfect rolled sun keeper, which I've never seen.

so a perfect roleld sun keeper vs perfect rolled rare spear, your only gaining 4% elite damage over a rare and you can't roll vit.

-10 reduce rend is just overplaying it, if your not able to handle fury management with -5, you need to manage your fury better.

give up way too much with IK belt, too many useless stats.

yeah true true that. I still havent found a nice spear yet and the only good on EU with elite dmg is like 107x dps, no stat 90 crit =/

I was thinking of a rare belt. IK belt is only worth it when you want the 5 set bonus. I found a 250 str 150 vita 45 phys res 77 all res -5 rend belt for 4 mil on ah. Its imo a good thing to have cause you might not always use soj and Im a firm believer of gearing up so you have as much fury as possible to play with regardless of how good you manage it

old d2 habit. I rolled with 10*20/17 lifemana so i had 800 mana in pvp which was mandatory for sure. All barbs with 300-350 mana were smashed to pieces against players who knew how to play. That was different thou cause you had to place alot of WWs (35 mana cost i think) and you were litterarly fucked if someone caught you with zero mana. Plus - you regenerated faster when you had more mana. I know so far D3 hasnt the same stress on fury as d2 had, but like I said its a habit that I just cant get rid of

This post was edited by jonatan on Feb 10 2013 09:45am

yea spears are hard to find, and +elite with good stats don't even exist on dprogress.

that is a great belt, I've never seen a good rare that rolls -5 rend otherwise that's a great extra roll to use, but must have 10%+ life on belt imo, it's way too big to give up.

the thing about -fury rend you gotta understand is, it's the mechanic of how rend works.

unlike other fury spenders we're never going to be spamming rend non-stop, generally in a skilled match you get 1 or max 2 rends off at a time at most.

if we were talking about a skill like HOTA, I would agree with you the more -fury the better, but with rend it's just not the same mechanic and -fury is less important.

str,vit, life%, allres are musts, so if your having fury problems -5 rend belt would be a nice extra rolll.

personally i would prefer regen,armor or phys res.

edit: how has PVP gear prices been since PTR over on europe? has it been generally rising?

This post was edited by mannercookie on Feb 10 2013 10:24am

the -fury cost for rend is somehting I see as good not for the casting of rend, but for making sure you always have enough fury to use sprint or whatever fury spending skill i might also use (which atm is nothing but less disregard thatxD. If you just used 4x sprints w/o 5 set IK then to make sure you have enough fury to begin with to cast a rend when you get close -10 cost makes a difference, instead of having to run away cause you have too little fury after those sprints you can leap + rend.

So its not so much about the spamming of fury, but more about the fury spenders surrounding it

Still, the case can certainly be made that its not often you do need to spend so much fury for sprint I know that heeh and even thou I found a good belt it could be 12% life instead of 5 rend true that

Regarding prices. Yeah for sure. But if we say that the theorycrafting we do know is whats up to date, the prices arent following that, bur rather what became "mainstream knowledge" like 1 week ago. So Litany with crit has rised in price and blackthorne armor with high regen is insane.

Still, I must say I dont see a big diff generally and I´ve spent alot of time on Ah the last couple of weeks. I can still find sojs for the same price as a long time ago (rend sojs can still be 29 elite, 5 rend for 19 mil) and same goes with EHP eq. Stuff like lacuni wth all res, str/vita, vita roll has risen in price thats true but honestly I still think prices are just so low on PVP high end eq. I guess PTR isnt enough to really make an impact on prices except for the most obvious cases like Stormshields.

The difference might not be in the prices but rather in that stuff actually sells.

I see, I mean honestly I don't really notice any problems with fury, any matchup where fury is a problem I'm generally speccing unforgiving.

Either way I think -5 rend on a rare belt is on par with the other extra rolls we can go for so it's a matter of preference i suppose.

Anyhow, sounds about the same on US server, the obvious items have all gone up in price quite significantly and items are very actively being bidded on from what I've noticed.

thanks for sharing informations!

np! thanks for the support.

my GFG pvp-set is on sale now for those looking, http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=66414113&f=153

Watched the first twenty minutes of your video versus number one wizard in the world (Frostburn). Pretty surprised you were trying to tweak hard to find a counter but you didn't use ice climbers, which is like 500 additional resists versus his damage. Maybe you used later in the video, still haven't finished watching it. But if you found a way to kill him it's pretty sad, because he is the best we (wizards) got, and his gear is worth probably 20 times more than gear on your barb's. Says a lot about how this "brawling" will be anything but fair.