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Oct 4 2012 11:40am
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Thats cool, I want to see it as well.

I saw another 2 videos of yours on athenes stream, I dont want to stay linking so I dont seem like I am trying to 'pick' on your guide / barb, but one of them is in arreat core and tower ... you are also just forced to kite even white mobs because you cant keep the fury / leech up, and in arreat core vs a golgor and succubus pack you are constantly at close to dead so have to retreat and refill bulb by kiting them into sprint, etc ... on MP10 i think? MP10 is already inefficient to farm, you  are making it 10x more so, because of this kiting and stop / start, hit / run tactics you take much much longer to kill packs. The simple thing you are missing is you are doing shield build with very low dps for it and your attack speed is only 1.3 x 1.25 =  1.625, 5 tps nados, if not on wotb just 4 tps .... very slow! No ias from gear, no dw bonus. You need at least 7 tps, that will leech and return fury so much faster, and makes ALL the difference! I think, at the very least, you should try it + also mention it in your guide.


Once again, all you saw were few tests. But I definitely like to test out the new suggestions rather than reading your early posts, as we both know you weren't constructive at all.

Anyway, we both agree I might get more dps, the problem is that like I also say in this video, carrying 3 fans on a full dps barb ain't as easy as having a balanced one. More than that, with this build I am being able to switch and use some team-based skills and still survive while dealing a good amount of dps with my team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04mONd38J0



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Once again, all you saw were few tests. But I definitely like to test out the new suggestions rather than reading your early posts, as we both know you weren't constructive at all.

Anyway, we both agree I might get more dps, the problem is that like I also say in this video, carrying 3 fans on a full dps barb ain't as easy as having a balanced one. More than that, with this build I am being able to switch and use some team-based skills and still survive while dealing a good amount of dps with my team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04mONd38J0



That is MUCH better, you did change to bloodthirst in this video. You have animosity in other videos and has to be some kind of different gear also, how did you think you would survive with just some loh after the proc nerf? the only thing an mp10 barb needs is high dps, ias and life leech. And I Still think you should dual wield, if you knew how much mobs in a3 mp10 hit for, 30% block considering it wont block all the dmg either dont make a big difference at all. It makes a difference per hit basis on low mp levels, but there it isnt needed because even crap barbs like mine can survive anyway. Or change your mainhand to one with lifeleech or put the ik belt on ur profile instead of the belt you have now. Video is ok, but would have loved to see you pull much more mobs or try tower phasebeast elites too. And you have a lot of ehp already, the pants could use str gems instead of vit ones too. More dps, more leech, same thoughts as before.

A full dps barb with a fast offhand with more crit dmg / loh or life leech would have it much much easier both solo and multiplayer too. Like I said, high dps, as much loh / leech, attack speed is the secret to such a barb. High damage and attack speed = more attacks / crits per second, more fury / leech, its like a chain it all comes together. But if you are doing better now with shield, good luck to you.

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Oct 4 2012 05:24pm
You should really consider a written guide, as your written English is much better.
I wanted to rip my head phones off and stomp them.

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Oct 4 2012 05:33pm
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You should really consider a written guide, as your written English is much better.
I wanted to rip my head phones off and stomp them.



I dont think the problem is the accent, I just prefer written guide in general :/ And then maybe video in addition, I want to watch a D3 video for the action, not to pay attention to what someone is saying.
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Oct 4 2012 05:57pm
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That is MUCH better, you did change to bloodthirst in this video. You have animosity in other videos and has to be some kind of different gear also, how did you think you would survive with just some loh after the proc nerf? the only thing an mp10 barb needs is high dps, ias and life leech. And I Still think you should dual wield, if you knew how much mobs in a3 mp10 hit for, 30% block considering it wont block all the dmg either dont make a big difference at all. It makes a difference per hit basis on low mp levels, but there it isnt needed because even crap barbs like mine can survive anyway. Or change your mainhand to one with lifeleech or put the ik belt on ur profile instead of the belt you have now. Video is ok, but would have loved to see you pull much more mobs or try tower phasebeast elites too. And you have a lot of ehp already, the pants could use str gems instead of vit ones too. More dps, more leech, same thoughts as before.

A full dps barb with a fast offhand with more crit dmg / loh or life leech would have it much much easier both solo and multiplayer too. Like I said, high dps, as much loh / leech, attack speed is the secret to such a barb. High damage and attack speed = more attacks / crits per second, more fury / leech, its like a chain it all comes together. But if you are doing better now with shield, good luck to you.


Well, like I said there are a lot of possible changes I and everyone can do. Like I stated also in the first video, Bloodthrister was another passive I used.
Actually I tried with this build to get Ground Stomp instead of berseker, I of course lose a lot of dps and can't avoid CC but at the same time I can be much more helpful to my team - again, that's a test I did, that's probably why you saw me dying on Athene's videos.
I made 2-3 videos (killing the packs for 5 stacks) but didn't want to make a too long upload, people get bored by that :)
Anyway, I am actually using IK belt (most likely for the CC build and NOT in this video) and am gonna replace Gloves with something like crit dmg, atk speed, str, all res, vita - just can't find them as I wish.
One of my ring is crap (I sold my old 2nd ring) as I'll keep that slot for the hellfire ring.
Using dual wild might be a solution, depends by what I/my team will need, yet I've been looking for a decent weapon with high dps, 1 socket, loh and crit but didn't find anything as well.

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Well, like I said there are a lot of possible changes I and everyone can do. Like I stated also in the first video, Bloodthrister was another passive I used.
Actually I tried with this build to get Ground Stomp instead of berseker, I of course lose a lot of dps and can't avoid CC but at the same time I can be much more helpful to my team - again, that's a test I did, that's probably why you saw me dying on Athene's videos.
I made 2-3 videos (killing the packs for 5 stacks) but didn't want to make a too long upload, people get bored by that :)
Anyway, I am actually using IK belt (most likely for the CC build and NOT in this video) and am gonna replace Gloves with something like crit dmg, atk speed, str, all res, vita - just can't find them as I wish.
One of my ring is crap (I sold my old 2nd ring) as I'll keep that slot for the hellfire ring.
Using dual wild might be a solution, depends by what I/my team will need, yet I've been looking for a decent weapon with high dps, 1 socket, loh and crit but didn't find anything as well.



Ground stomp is gg now, because apparently any monster gets the full 4 second stun with the new cc system, and you have to wait 8 seconds to use it again so they get full 4 sec duration again ... but GS has cd anyway so its cool. 4 second stun on a nasty elite pack is crazy. You could change it with war cry if you make up for it with some extra res / armor from gear (more +AR, more str / str gems)
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Oct 4 2012 06:20pm
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Ground stomp is gg now, because apparently any monster gets the full 4 second stun with the new cc system, and you have to wait 8 seconds to use it again so they get full 4 sec duration again ... but GS has cd anyway so its cool. 4 second stun on a nasty elite pack is crazy. You could change it with war cry if you make up for it with some extra res / armor from gear (more +AR, more str / str gems)


+1 bro , sjust one question - only trash mobs get the full 4 seconds ? or packs and ubers too ?
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Oct 4 2012 06:24pm
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+1 bro , sjust one question  - only trash mobs get the full 4 seconds ? or packs and ubers too ?


How It Works:

Monsters have a "CC resistance" that is stored on a per-monster basis.
The CC resistance starts at 0%. For every 1 second CC that is applied to the monster, the monster receives 10% CC resistance.
Monsters lose 10% of their CC resistance every second that they are not CC’d.
Elite monster CC resistance is capped at the current reduction values already active for Elites. In other words, CC resistance on most Elite monsters is capped to:

35% in Normal
50% in Nightmare
65% in Hell
65% in Inferno


Doesnt mention elites starting off at more than 0% here, so I assume them too. Before elites had 65% all the time, now they start off with 0% and it caps at 65% if you keep applying the same stun / slow / freeze. I willl test it quickly ingame to make 100% sure.

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Oct 4 2012 06:25pm
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Oct 4 2012 06:39pm
Yes elites too! Full 4 second stun. . I would assume bosses / ubers too. Its awesome, might keep it, but will need some more AR from gear.
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Oct 4 2012 06:43pm
Quote (Freshmeal @ 5 Oct 2012 02:20)
+1 bro , sjust one question  - only trash mobs get the full 4 seconds ? or packs and ubers too ?


packs as well, combined with a monk you get mobs stunned 24/7 :)
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