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May 31 2012 11:00am
Quote (budiu22 @ May 31 2012 04:49pm)
Thats irrelevant to the fact that the faster you shoot the faster you regenerate hatred. There are no other stats that would improve dps on a 6 affix 1h crossbow.
Plus quiver is far inferior vs 2x 1h xbows giving each 200% Inc crit dmg
% DMg isthe first affix mentioned it's a damage multiplier :)

Also more missiles fired = alot more dps in the end and more crits as well.

Actually there is 1 more stat. That would be a bleed effect! Lol


One thing to take note too on how sharpshooter and crit currently work.
When a arrow is fired, it's crit chance is computed before it hits the target.
So if you fire 10x nether tentacles before the first one hits the target, and ur at 100% crit from sharp shooter, that means all 10 will be critical hits. Thats why athene killed butcher in 2 seconds because all his initial nts were 280k~ crits.
So attack speed here matters ALOTTT in this particular mechanic


To clarify this alittle more, after the first hit happens and it is a crit hit, your % will go down and any shots fired after its gone down, will be at that crit chance range.
This makes NT even more OP because it travels slowly making this mechanic great and making DH look overpowered.
It's jus how blizz implemented the crit mechanic in the game. Changing this would affect all classes and is fairly complicated actually. So they gonna just nerf NT instead of fixing the problem like they always do

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May 31 2012 11:15am
Quote (budiu22 @ 31 May 2012 18:49)
Thats irrelevant to the fact that the faster you shoot the faster you regenerate hatred. There are no other stats that would improve dps on a 6 affix 1h crossbow.
Plus quiver is far inferior vs 2x 1h xbows giving each 200% Inc crit dmg
% DMg isthe first affix mentioned it's a damage multiplier :)

Also more missiles fired = alot more dps in the end and more crits as well.

Actually there is 1 more stat. That would be a bleed effect! Lol

Its not only about the quiver, every item that has IAS, rings, gloves, amulets, helmet is added to the total IAS and then applied on the weapon DPS before any ias. SO if you have a 1250dps weapon which has 25% ias on it, its real dps is only 1000. This has absolutely nothing to do with hatred regeneration, thats just something completely different.
If there is no other stat anyway, then ok, i havent really looked into 1hand crossbows, i prefer 2hand for stable dps instead of burst so far.
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May 31 2012 11:22am
Quote (dudaichhier @ May 31 2012 05:15pm)
Its not only about the quiver, every item that has IAS, rings, gloves, amulets, helmet is added to the total IAS and then applied on the weapon DPS before any ias. SO if you have a 1250dps weapon which has 25% ias on it, its real dps is only 1000. This has absolutely nothing to do with hatred regeneration, thats just something completely different.
If there is no other stat anyway, then ok, i havent really looked into 1hand crossbows, i prefer 2hand for stable dps instead of burst so far.


Well yea regarding the weapon DMg that is already factored in it, but the weapon speed for example 1.30 1.40 or 1.60 1.80 etc depending on your weapon and the increase attack speed on the wepon is directly related to your final attacks per second witch is what ias is so important for.
Attacks per second stat on your details. Not weapon dps in general . There is no stable dps comparison on 1h vs 2h. It all depends on the weapon stats. If both your 1h xbows have 1200 dps and 1.90 speed, and ur xbow has 1.40 speed and 1200 dps, the 1h xbows will be surperior. Obviously if your using 1 xbow with 1200 and the other with 900 it's a diferent story.
The only major benefit from 2h xbow is the archery bonus
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May 31 2012 11:24am
Quote (budiu22 @ May 31 2012 05:22pm)
Well yea regarding the weapon DMg that is already factored in it, but the weapon speed for example 1.30 1.40 or 1.60 1.80 etc depending on your weapon and the increase attack speed on the wepon is directly related to your final attacks per second witch is what ias is so important for.
Attacks per second stat on your details. Not weapon dps in general . There is no stable dps comparison on 1h vs 2h. It all depends on the weapon stats. If both your 1h xbows have 1200 dps and 1.90 speed, and ur xbow has 1.40 speed and 1200 dps, the 1h xbows will be surperior. Obviously if your using 1 xbow with 1200 and the other with 900 it's a diferent story.
The only major benefit from 2h xbow is the archery bonus


This is not a guide on how to gear your DH with avarage gear. Ill be posting my guide that will cover all that once 1.03 patch changes are implemented
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May 31 2012 11:26am
What is the DPS difference with x2 1h xbow compared to 2h xbow?
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May 31 2012 11:30am
Quote (IdkWhatsRc @ May 31 2012 05:26pm)
What is the DPS difference with x2 1h  xbow compared to 2h xbow?


It depends on all 3 items stats. If u have 2x 1h xbows they will alternate shooting. So if both have same stats essentially will be same. But it's highly unlikely u gonna have 2x of the same exact unless 2 blue items with no mods.

You have to factor in the archery passive for both and it's the 2h xbow is far superior. 50% crit DMg incraSed vs 10% crit chance.

But when it comes to my list of items here it will be far superior to have 2x 1h xbow with socket And base %crit increased.


2h = 200+ 50 from talent
1h x2 = 400 + 10 crit chance from talent
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May 31 2012 11:32am
Quote (budiu22 @ May 31 2012 01:30pm)
It depends on all 3 items stats. If u have 2x 1h xbows they will alternate shooting. So if both have same stats essentially will be same. But it's highly unlikely u gonna have 2x of the same exact unless 2 blue items with no mods.

You have to factor in the archery passive for both and it's the 2h xbow is far superior. 50% crit DMg incraSed vs 10% crit chance.

But when it comes to my list of items here it will be far superior to have 2x 1h xbow with socket And base %crit increased.


2h = 200+ 50 from talent
1h x2 = 400 + 10 crit chance from talent


So having 1x or 2x 1h xbow changes nothing except the mods they give you?
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May 31 2012 11:36am
Quote (IdkWhatsRc @ May 31 2012 05:32pm)
So having 1x or 2x 1h xbow changes nothing except the mods they give you?


Using a 1h xbow + quiver will give you the passive bonus from archery for 1h xbow. = 10% crit chance
Using a 2h xbow + quiver will give you the 50% increased crit damage multiplier

Using 2x 1h xbow will also give the same benefit as #1. The 10% crit chance increased

And 1h xbows are ALoT faster. They start at 1.8 aps if I'm correct. And go all the way up to 1.99 or 2 with 25% increase attack speed affix


While 2h xbows with 25% ias cap at 1.40 aps I believe. Maybe little more or less I didn't calculate that but shud be able to tell just by looking at a 2h xbow with 25% ias affix

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May 31 2012 11:39am
The importance I give to IAS is not regarding increasing the weapon dps. It's regarding your attacks per second (APS) on your character details. That is what is dictating how fast you shoot.

It's a very common misconception
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May 31 2012 12:45pm
And the point to attack faster is to abuse Sharpshooter and NT?
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