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Jan 13 2013 05:50pm
Quote (WannaB3 @ Jan 13 2013 07:43pm)
man , u dont understand what i am saying..
yes with a mace + ef and 33 ias from gear i hit the bp 2.5 with berserker..
but if i use an axe and ef u only need 27 ias from gear to get that breakpoint..

and axe can have more Raw dmg than an Mace , if the mace with that 1000dps got 38ED and the axe got 30ed i will have more raw dmg to reach that 1000dps...


Breakpoints matter on BOTH weapons, which is why we spend so much time looking for proper weapon synergies with EF. The reason for this is because whenever you hit the Sprint button, the game looks at which weapon was swung just prior to you pressing the button and will use that weapon's speed to calculate how fast that Sprint's nados will spin. So with your 1.30 axe and EF, if you only hit the 2.50 bp on axe, you will be at 2.22 with your EF, which means half your nados spin at 2.50 and the other half spin at 2.22, which, if you're fine with that, then fine.
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Jan 13 2013 06:28pm
need this one ? lol


Quote (Tboner @ Nov 27 2012 05:42pm)
Yea always better to calculate it yourself

Its weapon base * 1 + all your ias

so with a 1.45 base mainhand (1.2aps mace + the .25 from perf echo fury)

1.45 * (1+ .25(wotb) + .15 (Dual wield) + .IAS from gear)

so with 34ias from gear like I have (1.45* (1+.25+.15+.34) = 1.45*1.74 = 2.523 aps so I hit the breakpoint

You have to do the calculation on MH and OH if they are different bases



OR quick easy way = breakpoint you want to hit divided by your base weapon speed minus 1.4 = how much ias you need from gear (in decimal form)

eg. (2.5/1.45) - 1.4 = .3241 means i need 32.4 ias to hit the breakpoint.. obviously you would round this up to 33ias


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Quote (fentr @ Jan 14 2013 07:50am)
Breakpoints matter on BOTH weapons, which is why we spend so much time looking for proper weapon synergies with EF.  The reason for this is because whenever you hit the Sprint button, the game looks at which weapon was swung just prior to you pressing the button and will use that weapon's speed to calculate how fast that Sprint's nados will spin.  So with your 1.30 axe and EF, if you only hit the 2.50 bp on axe, you will be at 2.22 with your EF, which means half your nados spin at 2.50 and the other half spin at 2.22, which, if you're fine with that, then fine.


a 1000dps mace has higher RAW damage than 1000dps axe, because dps = raw damage * aps
=> raw damage = dps/aps
for a 1000dps mace, raw damage = 1000/1.2 = 833.3
while a 1000dps axe, raw damage = 1000/1.3 = 769.2

an axe is only better than the mace if it gets you the next ww/sprint breakpoint. otherwise, mace is better because of higher raw damage, and usually also cheaper.

edit: didn't see that a few posters have already explained this to you before i post this.

This post was edited by Kundrumb on Jan 13 2013 10:01pm
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Can somebody please explain to me why my WW barb sucks?

I did everything i THOUGHT i was supposed to, to make one work, but it overall doesnt. I tried both a 2hander (Skorn, like 250% CD) and two 1 handers (Main hand for damage, got one around 1100 dps with 50% CD on it, offhand lower dps, but has stats, over 100% CD, and some life steal). I have around 6% (5.7 exactly) Life steal, so even in inferno (MP1 and above) i dont die often. I have like 400% CD total, and 48% crit chance unbuffed (over 70+ with overpowerd, battle rage, and WotB up).

But thing is, i have SERIOUS fury issuses unless im taking on like 40 mobs at once. I see videos of people running around critting shit and having WotB up at all times, Fury constantly maxed out almost, and just tearing through shit. I on the other hand, crit just as much if not more, yet i rarely seem to get the 15 fury. Thus, i can only seem to get a few extra seconds out of WotB, and it sucks cause if im against bosses or small packs, i go furyless (oom essentially) and im stuck there standing with my dick in my hand.

Help? cause im obviously doing something wrong...
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Jan 14 2013 08:01am
can someone tell me what i should upgrade besides gems lol

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PrimeJvT-1568/hero/2377529

This post was edited by JVT51091 on Jan 14 2013 08:01am
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Jan 14 2013 08:55am
what should i upgrade next? only got 10M to spend :(

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/masl-2311/hero/783691

i can farm mp4 act3 with no problems. solid speed i guess with perm wotb

This post was edited by masl on Jan 14 2013 08:55am
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Jan 14 2013 11:34am
Quote (Kundrumb @ Jan 13 2013 11:57pm)
a 1000dps mace has higher RAW damage than 1000dps axe, because dps = raw damage * aps
=> raw damage = dps/aps
for a 1000dps mace, raw damage = 1000/1.2 = 833.3
while a 1000dps axe, raw damage = 1000/1.3 = 769.2

an axe is only better than the mace if it gets you the next ww/sprint breakpoint. otherwise, mace is better because of higher raw damage, and usually also cheaper.

edit: didn't see that a few posters have already explained this to you before i post this.


Not sure if you quoted the wrong person, but I personally explained what you are trying to explain to me to the other guy arguing for his axe.
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Jan 14 2013 11:56am
Quote (masl @ Jan 14 2013 10:55am)
what should i upgrade next? only got 10M to spend :(

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/masl-2311/hero/783691

i can farm mp4 act3 with no problems. solid speed i guess with perm wotb


Save up some more money for weapon upgrades. Also, use tough as nails instead of nerves of steel and try overpower-killing spree instead of warcry.

Quote (JVT51091 @ Jan 14 2013 10:01am)
can someone tell me what i should upgrade besides gems lol

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PrimeJvT-1568/hero/2377529


If you don't have the gold to upgrade your gems to at least Star, then I don't see what kind of gold you would have for gear upgrades. That aside, the 11% ias on your OH is largely wasted since regular speed swords sync with EF perfectly as is. If you're going to wield a stack stick in your OH, get one that has lots of stats, like str, vit, LS, in addition to CHD + socket. You also need 1% ias to hit 2.22 bp on your EF. You should get lacunis or inna's pants for both the ias and movespeed as you only have 12%. Non-crit lacunis are cheaper than inna's pants with str.

Quote (Hockeygod9911 @ Jan 14 2013 09:59am)
Can somebody please explain to me why my WW barb sucks?

I did everything i THOUGHT i was supposed to, to make one work, but it overall doesnt. I tried both a 2hander (Skorn, like 250% CD) and two 1 handers (Main hand for damage, got one around 1100 dps with 50% CD on it, offhand lower dps, but has stats, over 100% CD, and some life steal). I have around 6% (5.7 exactly) Life steal, so even in inferno (MP1 and above) i dont die often. I have like 400% CD total, and 48% crit chance unbuffed (over 70+ with overpowerd, battle rage, and WotB up).

But thing is, i have SERIOUS fury issuses unless im taking on like 40 mobs at once. I see videos of people running around critting shit and having WotB up at all times, Fury constantly maxed out almost, and just tearing through shit. I on the other hand, crit just as much if not more, yet i rarely seem to get the 15 fury. Thus, i can only seem to get a few extra seconds out of WotB, and it sucks cause if im against bosses or small packs, i go furyless (oom essentially) and im stuck there standing with my dick in my hand.

Help? cause im obviously doing something wrong...


2H ww doesn't work well aside from some highly specific gearing setups, so definitely stick to dual wielding. You also didn't post a link to your profile, so we can't even tell if you have gearing problems, but it sounds like you need to play on a higher mp. You've found the solution already when you thrive on large groups -- more nado ticks = more fury generation. The two ways to get this are to optimize your route in order to avoid long stretches without mobs and to play a higher mp so that when you hit a mid-sized pack of 10-20 mobs, you can regen a good amount of your wotb timer.
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Jan 14 2013 12:22pm
Quote (fentr @ Jan 14 2013 12:56pm)
Save up some more money for weapon upgrades. Also, use tough as nails instead of nerves of steel and try overpower-killing spree instead of warcry.



If you don't have the gold to upgrade your gems to at least Star, then I don't see what kind of gold you would have for gear upgrades.  That aside, the 11% ias on your OH is largely wasted since regular speed swords sync with EF perfectly as is.  If you're going to wield a stack stick in your OH, get one that has lots of stats, like str, vit, LS, in addition to CHD + socket.  You also need 1% ias to hit 2.22 bp on your EF.  You should get lacunis or inna's pants for both the ias and movespeed as you only have 12%.  Non-crit lacunis are cheaper than inna's pants with str.



2H ww doesn't work well aside from some highly specific gearing setups, so definitely stick to dual wielding.  You also didn't post a link to your profile, so we can't even tell if you have gearing problems, but it sounds like you need to play on a higher mp.  You've found the solution already when you thrive on large groups -- more nado ticks = more fury generation.  The two ways to get this are to optimize your route in order to avoid long stretches without mobs and to play a higher mp so that when you hit a mid-sized pack of 10-20 mobs, you can regen a good amount of your wotb timer.

i didnt post a link because im full retard.

here ya go http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hockeygod-1838/hero/5575895 (it needs to update, i use two maces not two axes :/ )

This post was edited by Hockeygod9911 on Jan 14 2013 12:23pm
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Jan 14 2013 12:53pm
Quote (Hockeygod9911 @ Jan 14 2013 11:22am)
i didnt post a link because im full retard.

here ya go http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hockeygod-1838/hero/5575895  (it needs to update, i use two maces not two axes :/ )


If you are using 2 rare weapons ideally you want to use an axe mainhand with a dagger offhand and try to reach 2.2/2.5 aps breakpoints

you will need a bunch more ias, and for your fury issue play on a higher MP, mayb mp3?

e/ also change unforgiving to bloodthirst

e/ also ur armor, res are pretty low..

I made the barb below for under 4mil gold and it did mp3 just fine (I should have used axe/dagger for weapons tho)

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65865553&f=142

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 14 2013 12:56pm
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