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Nov 6 2012 12:41pm
Quote (juhazzz @ Nov 6 2012 11:28am)
2x 1 Handers are always better than any Skorn has ever been. Even if the damage goes down, killing speed gets faster, as there will be a huge amount of tornadoes floating around with fast weapons.

I had to use Skorn for a while when 1.05 came out and finally when i got 2x mediocre 1 hand weapons, dps went a bit down, but will never ever go using 2 handed weapon on Monk again. Only setup where it works, is Tempest Rush with enough spirit regeneration and even then you can find 2 million gold weapons that are equal to Skorn, just like i did yesterday :)

Just browsed AH a bit and well, found 20+ weapons that are equal to 1300 dps skorns and all of them have 5.5%+ life steal, 170+ critical and socket, but the price is from 200k-20 million, Skorns are ? 150 million + ?


This.
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Nov 6 2012 01:04pm
If you have 100k DPS dual wield or 100k DPS 2 hander, you Damage per second is the same. Higher but slower damage hit for 2 hand and faster smaller hit with dual wield. Of course LOH and spirit generation will be better with dual wield, but with LS and the fact that my whole build if based on maxing damage from SW + tornadoes, I was under the impression that :

1 - lower DPS means lower damage SW
2 - More smaller damage tornadoes and less higher damage tornadoes are both equals in terms of Damage per second
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Nov 6 2012 01:07pm
Seems like you are happy with the Skorn set up. Maybe you should just stick with it?

What's the underlying reason that you want to switch to DW?
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Nov 6 2012 01:16pm
Quote (juhazzz @ 6 Nov 2012 19:28)
2x 1 Handers are always better than any Skorn has ever been. Even if the damage goes down, killing speed gets faster, as there will be a huge amount of tornadoes floating around with fast weapons.

I had to use Skorn for a while when 1.05 came out and finally when i got 2x mediocre 1 hand weapons, dps went a bit down, but will never ever go using 2 handed weapon on Monk again. Only setup where it works, is Tempest Rush with enough spirit regeneration and even then you can find 2 million gold weapons that are equal to Skorn, just like i did yesterday :)

Just browsed AH a bit and well, found 20+ weapons that are equal to 1300 dps skorns and all of them have 5.5%+ life steal, 170+ critical and socket, but the price is from 200k-20 million, Skorns are ? 150 million + ?


Does the tornados attack with the same aps as you do or do they have a fixed aps?
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Nov 6 2012 01:16pm
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Does the tornados attack with the same aps as you do or do they have a fixed aps?


Same.
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Nov 6 2012 01:29pm
Quote (jinshin85 @ 6 Nov 2012 20:16)
Same.


ok, then 100k dps with 1 aps and 100k dps with 2 aps will deal the EXACT same dmg in the end with sweeping wind cyclone.
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Nov 6 2012 01:31pm
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ok, then 100k dps with 1 aps and 100k dps with 2 aps will deal the EXACT same dmg in the end with sweeping wind cyclone.


I believe so.

However, what I'm not so sure on is that it's possible to spawn MORE number of tornadoes with DW set up since you are swing much faster per second than the Skorn set up. This all depends on how much critical chance you have.

I can probably dig through some articles and shit to get this thing confirmed, but I'm not that anal about this. haha

I just like swinging faster.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on Nov 6 2012 01:35pm
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Quote (jinshin85 @ 6 Nov 2012 20:31)
I believe so.

However, what I'm not so sure on is that it's possible to spawn MORE number of tornadoes with DW set up since you are swing much faster per second than the Skorn set up. This all depends on how much critical chance you have.

I can probably dig through some articles and shit to get this thing confirmed, but I'm not that anal about this. haha

I just like swinging faster.


http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6202181225?page=1

from what this guy says (lets assume hes correct)
dw with 2 weapons with same aps and 2h gives the same sweeping/cyclone dmg output if your sheet dmg is the same.
BUT if you have 2 weapons with different aps then you can get more dmg IF you start sw when next attack is with the big dmg/slow weapon. and lose dmg if you start sw with the low dmg/high aps werapon.
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Nov 6 2012 01:48pm
Quote (Falt @ Nov 6 2012 12:45pm)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6202181225?page=1

from what this guy says (lets assume hes correct)
dw with 2 weapons with same aps  and 2h gives the same sweeping/cyclone dmg output if your sheet dmg is the same.
BUT if you have 2 weapons with different aps then you can get more dmg IF you start sw when next attack is with the big dmg/slow weapon. and lose dmg if you start sw with the low dmg/high aps werapon.


Damn. That's extremely detailed. LOL

Maybe or maybe not. Just go with the set up you really want!

I really don't think there's any "better" set up here. To each his own.

I personally just picked up a cheap Skorn for Tempest Rush farming set up. I do get a higher sheet dmg with Skorn, but boy I hate this fking slow weapon.
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Nov 6 2012 01:52pm
Quote (jinshin85 @ 6 Nov 2012 14:07)
Seems like you are happy with the Skorn set up. Maybe you should just stick with it?

What's the underlying reason that you want to switch to DW?


I switched to Skorn for the tempest rush build but with the higher MP it just isn't worth it anymore. Wanted to switch back to dual wield, but every DPS calculation I make is telling me I should maybe stick to 2 handed...

And my problem here is that I loose DPS for going back to dual wield... of course I would switch back no question asked if I were to rock the same sheet DPS... hence my dilemma here : dual wield with lower dps OR 2 handed with more dps...


This post was edited by brainoverride on Nov 6 2012 01:54pm
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