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Sep 16 2013 03:13pm
Quote (Lucidius @ 16 Sep 2013 11:37)
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I built this solid firebat mp10. I feel it is effective, but I would appreciate some insight/comments:

1. My movement speed is 12% because I feel I lose too much EHP with inna pants. Correct? My goal is to have balanced EHP/DMG WD.
2. I craft bracers because I feel other crafted parts are better.
3. I usually play co-op with CM wiz. Would you recommend other build? I feel it is slightly less effective due to mobs not coming to me.
4. I am willing to give up to 40 mil per upgrade, however, I do not see worthy upgrades. Should I keep looking or just farm atm.
5. I think I gain less XP per hour compared to my 50 mil barb (sold now). But it is damn more fun :)
6. I die 2-3 times every 20 minutes or so (mainly because i run out of mana), is it because of lack of experience or gear/build issue?

Ok I know these are not real questions. I felt I should share my experience with my new WD, because it is my favourite character so far!


helm is pretty bad though
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Sep 16 2013 03:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 16 2013 11:06am)
your gear is absolutely fine. the skills, however, dont make any sense. why ghost bomb? why zombie handler? why big stinker?



looks good all around.
1. yes, i wouldnt use innas pants. with wd, i dont really feel the lack of a second 12%ms item.
2. yes, imho the bracers are your weakest part. the amu isnt thaaaat great either though.
3. well, you might consider the plague bats/ zbear hybrid build. it has slightly more range than cob and benefits more from mobs being locked in one place. when playing with a (competent) cm, you dont need pestilence anyway, so that the  slot for the 2nd attack skill is freed up.
4. occasionally look for snipes and farm in the meantime. ;)
5. yes and yes :)
6. hard to say.

in general, you can improve your wh and your 2 rings to get more dps. your skorn isnt the greatest either. but try not to lose the pickup radius that you currently get from your wh.


I usually play with locusts.. I suppose I could use PtV, but I just like to play around cause I don't really need anything another than bats and something to aggro.

As per gear, I need more armor and just a tad bit more dps. I think the only place I'm going to get any decent dps is from the weapon... well, without losing a huge amount of EHP.

but yeah, I was just playing around with some skills. Usually use big bad vodoo too.
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Sep 16 2013 03:38pm
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Sep 16 2013 03:55pm
Quote (bLuuzz @ Sep 16 2013 01:38pm)


With 50m, I'd upgrade your weapon gem. You can recycle it later when you have more gold to upgrade.

1. Biggest benefit would be crafting bracers.
2. Gloves. You can find cheap cc/cd gloves. You're probably not going to need ias as WD.
3. Zuni helm with cc

All around more Crit, but up there is a good start. For 50m, Id' spent half on RS Emerald and I think with the remaining 30m on a better zuni weapon. Then go crazy crafting.

This post was edited by FF-Paradox on Sep 16 2013 04:23pm
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Sep 16 2013 05:42pm
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manajuma weapon is bad, try to get skorn or 1h black weapon
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Sep 17 2013 02:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 16 2013 10:06pm)
your gear is absolutely fine. the skills, however, dont make any sense. why ghost bomb? why zombie handler? why big stinker?



looks good all around.
1. yes, i wouldnt use innas pants. with wd, i dont really feel the lack of a second 12%ms item.
2. yes, imho the bracers are your weakest part. the amu isnt thaaaat great either though.
3. well, you might consider the plague bats/ zbear hybrid build. it has slightly more range than cob and benefits more from mobs being locked in one place. when playing with a (competent) cm, you dont need pestilence anyway, so that the  slot for the 2nd attack skill is freed up.
4. occasionally look for snipes and farm in the meantime. ;)
5. yes and yes :)
6. hard to say.

in general, you can improve your wh and your 2 rings to get more dps. your skorn isnt the greatest either. but try not to lose the pickup radius that you currently get from your wh.


Thanks for being so constructive. I realize my dmg does not hit 200k, which I guess is the "breakpoint" for mp10. However, do you think 170K firebat WD fully unbuffed is not efficient in mp10 and should go to mp9? I tried zbear but I did not like the dmg with this current setup. With CM wiz i might try Locus Swarm with the rune for more mana?

This post was edited by Lucidius on Sep 17 2013 02:15am
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Sep 17 2013 06:28am
Quote (Qu1kSilv3r @ Sep 16 2013 07:42pm)
manajuma weapon is bad, try to get skorn or 1h black weapon


lol what? i think youre the first person ever to say manajumas is bad...

if youre just starting ya skorn is a lot better your survivability will increase a lot since you can leach twice as much
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Sep 17 2013 10:40am
dear fellow WD's

could someone help me in detail wich improvements i will need? Budget: 150m
i can solo mp10 without big troubles but some survivability would not harm me :) upgrading my dps is my second goal

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haldur-2736/hero/20962389

thx in advance!
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Sep 17 2013 12:20pm
Quote (Lucidius @ 17 Sep 2013 10:15)
Thanks for being so constructive. I realize my dmg does not hit 200k, which I guess is the "breakpoint" for mp10. However, do you think 170K firebat WD fully unbuffed is not efficient in mp10 and should go to mp9? I tried zbear but I did not like the dmg with this current setup. With CM wiz i might try Locus Swarm with the rune for more mana?


with a skorn, the bp for mp10 is at about 170-180k dps. in my opinion that is...
imho survivability is very important for the efficiency of CoB wds. maybe try to get nice rare ehp pants. zbears require higher dps for the same damage than cob, so they are only an option if your dps, ehp and gear in general are on a very high lvl. (then, they do however offer the advantage of more mobility and range.)

Quote (haldursilver @ 17 Sep 2013 18:40)
dear fellow WD's

could someone help me in detail wich improvements i will need? Budget: 150m
i can solo mp10 without big troubles but some survivability would not harm me :) upgrading my dps is my second goal

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haldur-2736/hero/20962389

thx in advance!


your ehp is too low. you will definitely want to replace jungle fortitude with something more useful in the long run.
your armor in particular is very low. you really need to up it. the allres are kinda low either. craft more bracers to get some with res and/or armor.
get a zuni chest with somewhat similar stats, but armor on top.
get innas pants with 170+ vit instead of 70 int. or get rare ehp pants if you can cope with the loss of the ms.
your wh is bad. 22 allres does jackshit and is overpriced, relative to its actual utility.
boots, helm, shoulders, amu and left ring are ok for now. but you might want to find a rare ring with somewhat similar offensive stats and allres or armor on top.

but i think that there is not a lot missing on your wd. so dont get me wrong plz. ;)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 17 2013 12:22pm
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Sep 17 2013 02:14pm
Quote (FF-Paradox @ Sep 16 2013 04:55pm)
With 50m, I'd upgrade your weapon gem. You can recycle it later when you have more gold to upgrade.

1. Biggest benefit would be crafting bracers.
2. Gloves. You can find cheap cc/cd gloves. You're probably not going to need ias as WD.
3. Zuni helm with cc

All around more Crit, but up there is a good start. For 50m, Id' spent half on RS Emerald and I think with the remaining 30m on a better zuni weapon. Then go crazy crafting.


Do you suggest more ar/vit on the gloves/bracers? What am I aiming at for a solid WD?

e; if I change to cc helm, I loose ~5k life no matter which one I pick, and I thought I already had low HP

This post was edited by bLuuzz on Sep 17 2013 02:25pm
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