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Jun 25 2013 04:54pm
Quote (spanky6390 @ Jun 25 2013 02:42pm)
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helps alot with survival getting your cooldowns away. 7 PUR is decent and definitely helps but more is always better.  You will really only need more than 7 if you do anything else other than bats and if you play in a lot of parties


I'll see how I do with just 7 then. Thanks a bunch. I understand now
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Jun 25 2013 04:56pm
Pick up radius on WD is OP.

Always on SW / Constant spamming of vengeful.
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Jun 25 2013 05:02pm
My friend wants to start up a WD. I know when I first posted here I was directed to a guide that had a great build for lower MPs and low budget that used thing of the deep, etc. Does anyone know where I can find it so I can show it to him?

e/ found it
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65041485&f=142

This post was edited by Koston on Jun 25 2013 05:27pm
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Jun 26 2013 02:00pm
Quote (spanky6390 @ Jun 25 2013 10:46pm)
You could switch out your pants for more int/ehp pants and then you can change out blood ritual for spirit vessel.
Your gems could easily be upgraded at least once.
Your gloves have really low int. I would try and get some with at least 150 int



http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Slumdog-2471/hero/16461449

so you think 24ms is not necessary? I know my gloves are a weak point so I am going to change them I guess.
Upgrading gems is very expensive for the amount of dps it will give me.

so next aim is to change the pants plus my gloves.
Would you suggest blackthornes? I have a pair with 182int/250vit without sockets. It will give me 8k life plus 0.3% protection but it will cost me 10k dps.

best regards and thanks for your help
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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Slumdog-2471/hero/16461449

so you think 24ms is not necessary? I know my gloves are a weak point so I am going to change them I guess.
Upgrading gems is very expensive for the amount of dps it will give me.

so next aim is to change the pants plus my gloves.
Would you suggest blackthornes? I have a pair with 182int/250vit without sockets. It will give me 8k life plus 0.3% protection but it will cost me 10k dps.

best regards and thanks for your help


I personally keep hearing blackthornes arent really good for WDs, they bring down your ehp because of no all res/no armor. I know the massive amount of vit on blackthornes always looks appealing seeing the green +8373 life or whatever in the tooltip, but you can't forget about balancing the other stats too. Plus, your life is like 63k, which isnt bad and oculd be slightly reduced in favor of other stats. After I was recommended to switch from my blackthornes (which had 100 int/200 vit/2 soc/LOH, similar to yours but with sockets) to rare pants with like 150 int/200 vit/2 soc/armor roll, I find I actually survive better. And after looking at your stats, they do confirm you could use like 300 more armor to be comfortable, and all res. I dunno, maybe someone will vouch me here. But if you're worried about a minus in life after switching from Blackthornes to rare pants, consider crafting better bracers that have at least all res or vit on them, which is not hard to do. And shoulders with a % life mod.

And honestly if you put 2 slots with pickup radius, I don't think you'll really need 24 movement speed. 12 will be fine because your SW is going to be up 24/7 anyway..

This post was edited by Koston on Jun 26 2013 09:10pm
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Jun 27 2013 11:01am
My current standings, been trying to upgrade on my own since i keep getting skipped over, i think i haven't done too bad a job but still looking for advice.
EDIT: my goal is to be mp10 capable/maybe even mp10 ubers capable(despite being a bit tougher for WD's)

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/schroeder321-1399/Ion/29825871
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Schroeder321-1399/hero/29825871

at this point is a ruby or emerald better? figured id try out the ruby due to having so much crit damage already

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Jun 27 2013 07:18pm
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My current standings, been trying to upgrade on my own since i keep getting skipped over, i think i haven't done too bad a job but still looking for advice.
EDIT: my goal is to be mp10 capable/maybe even mp10 ubers capable(despite being a bit tougher for WD's)

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/schroeder321-1399/Ion/29825871
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Schroeder321-1399/hero/29825871

at this point is a ruby or emerald better? figured id try out the ruby due to having so much crit damage already


Sorry that you keep getting skipped over, but I can tell you what everyone is telling me so our WDs are very similar (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Koston-1229/hero/32235569)
#1. your pants aren't well-rounded, Blackthornes aren't that great for survivability/ehp. Switching to 160 int/200 vit/2 soc/armor rare pants helped me a bunch in mp10, might be the same for you.
#2. You could use more resistances, but that's something that is achievable by crafting better gloves/bracers.

Don't go for mp10 ubers. It's hard with a WD unless you're with a cm wiz that can permafreeze, lol.

Also, regarding the gem in your Skorn, I think most people would say it's personal preference. I've also heard a lot of people say stick with emerald until you're really comfortable with your dps and you do decently in mp10, then switch over to a ruby. Not 100% sure about that though

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Quote (Koston @ Jun 26 2013 10:05pm)
I personally keep hearing blackthornes arent really good for WDs, they bring down your ehp because of no all res/no armor. I know the massive amount of vit on blackthornes always looks appealing seeing the green +8373 life or whatever in the tooltip, but you can't forget about balancing the other stats too. Plus, your life is like 63k, which isnt bad and oculd be slightly reduced in favor of other stats. After I was recommended to switch from my blackthornes (which had 100 int/200 vit/2 soc/LOH, similar to yours but with sockets) to rare pants with like 150 int/200 vit/2 soc/armor roll, I find I actually survive better. And after looking at your stats, they do confirm you could use like 300 more armor to be comfortable, and all res. I dunno, maybe someone will vouch me here. But if you're worried about a minus in life after switching from Blackthornes to rare pants, consider crafting better bracers that have at least all res or vit on them, which is not hard to do. And shoulders with a % life mod.

And honestly if you put 2 slots with pickup radius, I don't think you'll really need 24 movement speed. 12 will be fine because your SW is going to be up 24/7 anyway..



Blackthornes are usually better ehp but it depends on your vit. Alot of vit multiplies well with %life. Also the quad stat is very good for defense. My Bt pants have 285vit, 215int, 100 str, 99dex, 12%life, 350 loh. The enormous amount of hp, str. dex, and loh beat every rare in ehp of comparable price.

As for movement speed, I prefer 24. It will help escape frozen, arcane, etc much easier at the end of elite fights when SW isn't refreshing as quickly.

I wouldn't say the gem in weapon is a personal preference, just go to d3up.com, simulate both marq gems and use the one that provides the most dps.
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Jun 27 2013 09:49pm
Quote (Koston @ Jun 28 2013 01:18am)
Sorry that you keep getting skipped over, but I can tell you what everyone is telling me so our WDs are very similar (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Koston-1229/hero/32235569)
#1. your pants aren't well-rounded, Blackthornes aren't that great for survivability/ehp. Switching to 160 int/200 vit/2 soc/armor rare pants helped me a bunch in mp10, might be the same for you.
#2. You could use more resistances, but that's something that is achievable by crafting better gloves/bracers.

Don't go for mp10 ubers. It's hard with a WD unless you're with a cm wiz that can permafreeze, lol.

Also, regarding the gem in your Skorn, I think most people would say it's personal preference. I've also heard a lot of people say stick with emerald until you're really comfortable with your dps and you do decently in mp10, then switch over to a ruby. Not 100% sure about that though


Thanks! Those sound like so achievable goals and I already agree with the preference of gem.
Sending u a pm would be nice to have someone to do some back and forth with witch doctors with.
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Jun 27 2013 11:11pm
Hi everyone, please give comments and suggestions for my 0dog WD. Let me know how I can improve and what kind of skills I should change. Cheers!

Also, should I be focusing more on EHP improvements or paper DPS upgrades.

http://d3up.com/b/307103
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