they are all quite valid issues with any build thats going to require you to reclick the monster your trying to attack if your not paying complete attention to the game. cept for the bell build due to the aoe.

aside from the illusionists, gob issue, and mental drain, those exist even when you are paying attention.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 3 2013 10:17am

Dude, what the hell is your problem?

None of the issues that you are having with blazing fist build is not valid.

If you are half asleep/watching movie/talking to someone about something else in vent, DON'T PLAY.

You think blazing fist build has issues because you have to pay full attention when you play?????? WTF?

Are you crazy?

I've known you for more than 5 months in game, but this is like wtf seriously.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on May 3 2013 10:19am

aside from the illusionists, gob issue, and mental drain, those exist even when you are paying attention.

putting the same effort into d3 that i would sc2 is crazy.

im not saying dont use the build, im saying dont use the build if your looking for some relaxing farming, or your not paying attention, or as i allready said:

so in a situation where im half asleep, watching a movie, or talking to some one about something else in vent (distracted), id much rather use the basic fot/tc echoing fury build over a non ef build requiring you to keep blazing fists up.

i.e. they are all valid issue if your not paying compelte attention to the game.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 3 2013 10:24am

That became the problems due to your incapability of micro-ing.

As for the mental drain, don't play the game if playing a game gets you stressed.

What do you want me to say?

YOU NOT PAYING COMPLETE ATTENTION TO THE GAME = Your problem.

I can't believe you are trashing up the topic like this dude.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on May 3 2013 10:26am

so i cant inform people that they are going to have to pay alot of attention if they plan on using a non ef blazing fist build?

or is it going point by point detaling why they have to pay extra attention compared to a ef non blazing fist build that you have the issue with?

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 3 2013 10:28am

What makes you think using a Blazing fist is to make up the attack speed loss from not using a EF?

And using a blazing fist isn't a new thing for monks. It's been around for quite awhile if you didn't know.

every build you have with out ef uses blazing fists, every build you have with out blazing fists uses ef.

its more so a combination of both no ef and blazing fists, as ef+xxx no blazing fists depending on your asi you still are hitting upper 3.5 aps, so you can forget about blazing fists for goblins, as you attack/tele at a much greater speed.

while without fury and blazing fists at 3 stacks, your hitting the same aps.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 3 2013 10:40am

The two build that I suggested with EF weapon set up is using the Nirvana mechanism (Fist of Fury + Infused Light), which give you almost infinite spirit regen for 5 seconds.

That's why using EF to maximize the spammability of bell or cyclone strike is a great idea.

I would use blazing first for every monk build if possible because it's just that great. But Nirvana forces you to use Fist of Fury instead of Blazing Fist rune.

Do you get that?

Have you ever tried using Nirvana build before?

you want high attack speed with any build not just infused with light, and to get that high attack speed with out ef, you need blazing ffists up, that where the issue is. if you could hit 2.4 aps with out blazing fists or ef, you could use the blazing fists as you need it and forgo it with the iseues it causes as i mentioned above.

coicidentally you seem to be at right about 2.4 aps, is that what you do for gobs? use the lingering blazing fists from the last enemy you hit and just fot/tc?

final summation, if your above 2.4 aps its a good build, you can forgo the blazing fists when it might cause issues such as gobs or illusionists, and just stick with fot/tc with out a huge impact on your teleport speed.

though you'll likely need a dagger for this.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 3 2013 10:49am

First of all, I never recommend Echoing Fury to any monks due to the Fear proc messing up the party games. It's just not efficient in full party mp10 games. Nobody likes playing in a party game with a monk using EF because half the time, everyone will be chasing the hell out of elites.

Second, like I mentioned in the original post, these builds will likely to work only with nicely geared monks who have attack speed on at least 5 slots (mempo/2rings/wh/inna pants). That's good enough for these build to work completely fine.

For gobs, if you are having trouble killing him, bump down a mp because you don't have enough dmg.

And yes, I'm at 2.352/2.352 with sword/wkl and 2.52./2352 with dagger/wkl. And it's not coincidental that I have +2.4aps average. I calculated all this before I upgraded my gears to hit those numbers.

I hate EF Fear, period. It brings down the Effective DPS per run by A LOT. And the next patch is all about party games, so I want monks to understand that using a EF in a mp10 party game is not a good idea.

If you like it, you can use it. I won't try to convince you to not use it.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on May 3 2013 10:56am