Quote (Uberjager @ 12 Jan 2013 13:40)

As in. How do you ensure your offhand is the last weapon swung without wasting time?

Quote (infallibleleo @ Jan 12 2013 03:30pm)

ofc it is not practical to ensure that offhand is the last weapon swung b4 casting sprint. This will be done for testing purpose only.

Quote (Uberjager @ 12 Jan 2013 17:05)

... then wouldn't it be more efficient to go a slower OH and optimize your WW?

Quote (csoszak @ 12 Jan 2013 17:46)

There is no point in breaking ias breakpoint for dmg purposes in oh only fury wise. Echo is already on pic modified by its own 0.2x attacks, but your other weapon isnt. If u get a 1200 dps weap and add 0.25 it will go up depending on its attack speed
(base black dmg btw that u cant see)

A weapon with 1.2 will go up 1.45 about 21% dmg increase ( 1.45/1.2)

Aweapon with 1.5 will go up to 1.75 about 16% dmg increase (1.75 / 1.5)

A slower weapon will benefit more dmg wise from an echo, but dont know if its super significant since u will have easier time breaking ias breakingpoint which will increase your tornadoes dmg (more tics). Whats important though is if u remove the 0.25 attack per sec from the echo.

Echo with 0.25 aps actually has only 82% of its actual dmg since its already modified by its own skill (1.2/1.45=0.82)

Lets say 1200 dps echo with 0.25aps then actually only is 960 dps without its own buff.

Now consider you 1200dps mace with a 21% dmg increase about 1445 dps base and black.

Are you still want to use echo in main or u change ur mind?


On the other a fast weapon wil benefit from average dmg more since the  attack speed modifier is higher. (The stuff u get on rings and amu)

A ring that lets say adds 20-40dmg

to a 1.2 attack speed weapon

1.2*20= 24min dmg
1.2*40= 48 max dmg

24-48 = 36dps extra (black base dmg)

Now a 1.5 attack speed weapon

1.5*20=30min dmg
1.5 * 40 = 60max dmg

30-60= 45dps extra (black base dmg)

A fast weapon will benefit more from average dmg then a slow one.

Quote (Tommyvv @ Jan 5 2013 01:56pm)

offhand 1.65+0.25echo bug*(1+0.36+0.15+0.25)=1.9*1.76=3.344aps=36ticks
mainhand 1.45*1.76=2.552aps=26ticks
31ticks per 3sec as avarage

looks like a good balance, not seems that you have any ias that not have effect

but lets see how to increase this
i am not a fan of crit damage, and a big fan of aps, so lets see what happens if swap crit gem in echo to a 11ias stat

2.85715-3.33333 aps - 6 fpt - 10.0 tps - 200.00% dps - 30 ticks - 600% dmg
3.33334-4.00000 aps - 5 fpt - 12.0 tps - 240.00% dps - 36 ticks - 720% dmg
4.00001-5.00000 aps - 4 fpt - 15.0 tps - 300.00% dps - 45 ticks - 900% dmg
5.00001-6.66666 aps - 3 fpt - 20.0 tps - 400.00% dps - 60 ticks - 1200% dmg

mainhand (1.2+0.25)*1.11 = 1.6095 echo aps
goal=3.33334aps/1.6095=108ias needed = 32 more ias needed
offhand becomes 1.5+0.25*1.11*2.08=4.04aps
avg ticks become 40.5ticks per sec = 30.6%more then you have now
crit damage drops from 532 to 432 at 82.5%crit chance = crit factor 4.564 instead of crit factor5.389 = -15.3%damage
ofc its not eezz to get 11%ias in echo and 32more ias in gear, whitout loosing str/crit damage, etc

mebe its a tiny overdone, look at 1 lower breakpoint, but still, drop the crit gem!
2.85715/1.6095echo aps = 78ias needed = 2 more ias needed in gear
then avg ticks per 3sec becomes (30+36)/2=33ticks=6.5%more ticks, but also loose -15.3%dps couse gem

so basicly above upgrades are not adding any good whitout sacrafice,
so you balanced your breakpoints/dps verry good!

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9.9/10 for barb brainpower!
i would have given it a 10/10, if it had lower dps, lower dps offhand weapon, since we talk rltw azomodone test
or you get a 10/10 if not talk about azmodone test in the first place!
and rltw influwence azmodone test alot, couse 3-4 nado are working and 1ww is working,
and in more normal gameplay, its more like 2 nado are working when 1 ww is working, and then offhand dps comes into matter alot more
and in pvp or at verry low mp, its more like 1nado and 1ww, then offhand damage comes even more into play