Quote (SaintValentine @ 2 Sep 2010 09:26)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103191-Blizzard-Diablo-III-About-as-Big-as-Diablo-II

you fail to see what i meant in my statement, it APPEARS to be like you choose one tree and follow that. but maybe im reading it wrong, its not like its overly specific but read the link and talk some more shit.

Quote (Blockinlick @ Sep 1 2010 02:16pm)

To some people, D2 is a 'hobby' moreso than just a game. Call them nerds if you want but stereotyping people like that just makes you ignorant.
Some work a day job and even go to college and find time to turn it into a 'hobby'. You play it for fun, cool, they play it for fun too but what you find fun isn't what they find fun.
Diablo II gets boring after you have 'been there done that' in every PvE aspect, so you turn to PvP. PvP is a competition, deal with it, it's basically a sport to some.
When you take away what defines the difference between the amateurs and the pro's your taking away the only thing that keeps each person playing for longer than a few months.

In Diablo II, sure the stat builds were cookey cutter, but there is A LOT more to it than that. Ofc you are noob so you don't know about that yet.
You say "Enough strength to wear gear". Let me point out that the gear choices which dictated these #'s weren't so cookey cutter sometimes and each class had different builds.

Imagine if the Sorceress stats were automated to max strength at 45, max Energy at 50, and put the rest in Vitality. That then makes the ES Sorc NOT-VIABLE anymore, therefor hurting the variety of the game.

You have Zealers who had the choice between Grief, Ebotdz, or other decent melee weapons. They could choose between a few armors, a few gloves, a few shields, etc. Not so cookey cutter.
If the stats were automated to max strength at 70, every Zealer would be forced to wear Enigma to wear Zerkers and their damage would be raped, therefor making THAT build NOT-VIABLE anymore, hurting the variety of the game.

Just because the rules in spending the points are the same, doesn't mean the gear chosen to wear, which dictates the spread of those points, doesn't give it variety.
In these ways, it makes builds EVEN MORE cookey cutter because it also dictates what gear that class can and cannot wear and the only variance between builds will be the skill builds which there will always be a "Perfect spread" for those, so EVERY char will be built EXACTLY the same.
Basically, each class will be limited to 1 or if your lucky 2 builds instead of several because YOU can't decide how much strength YOUR build needs.

Back to my original thought, THIS narrows the gap between the Amateurs and the Pros'. I'm not going to play a game where everyone, even the noobs, are equal in skill.
D2 is a competitive game, some take it up as hobby, some take it up as sport, some play for fun, but it's the people who take it up as hobby that keep that fucking game on the map.

Quote (AngelasAshes @ Sep 2 2010 09:27pm)

Yeah now all chars will be forced to be the same instead of: Enough dex for max block enough str for gear rest vita.
Oh wait, all chars are the same in d2 anyway? yep.

Quote (Conviction @ Sep 2 2010 08:15am)

I agreen with this 100% and all you people that don't get this are pretty much NOOBS. We're not saying it as an insult. It's just merely stating the fact. The fact that you don't understand how important the stat system is to some people just makes you a NOOB. The fact that you think, "ok, enough points into strength, enough points to max block, all points into vitality." Fuckin. NOOB. If you have this in mind, you probably also have 10 different characters on D2 only because you believe this class can outrank this class. You believe this because you are NOOB. You believe the stat point system doesn't matter because you are NOOB. Failing to properly realize this will allow you to continue being a NOOB. Continue posting shit like this all day, but you can't help the fact that all your enoughstr-mb-full vit chars are gona get raped.

Another factor this thread was trying to get across is the unique builds that can be produced. Let me give you an example. A glass cannon zon > vitality zon. Ok, now why in the world would that matter? Because of the skills? Because of the gear?
Is it because of who's clicking the button?

D3 Will not be as good as D2 without stats unless there is another factor to be played.

Quote (TrueArrogance @ Sep 2 2010 08:49am)

You're terribad.
The good thing about a game that isn't finished yet is that every person's guess about how it will play is just as wrong as the next.



Consider how WoW works. Are stats manually allocated? No. Are all builds viable? Yes.

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I agreen with this 100% and all you people that don't get this are pretty much NOOBS. We're not saying it as an insult. It's just merely stating the fact. The fact that you don't understand how important the stat system is to some people just makes you a NOOB. The fact that you think, "ok, enough points into strength, enough points to max block, all points into vitality." Fuckin. NOOB. If you have this in mind, you probably also have 10 different characters on D2 only because you believe this class can outrank this class. You believe this because you are NOOB. You believe the stat point system doesn't matter because you are NOOB. Failing to properly realize this will allow you to continue being a NOOB. Continue posting shit like this all day, but you can't help the fact that all your enoughstr-mb-full vit chars are gona get raped.

Another factor this thread was trying to get across is the unique builds that can be produced. Let me give you an example. A glass cannon zon > vitality zon. Ok, now why in the world would that matter? Because of the skills? Because of the gear?
Is it because of who's clicking the button?

D3 Will not be as good as D2 without stats unless there is another factor to be played.

Quote (Blockinlick @ Sep 2 2010 02:58pm)

You people aren't even understanding what I'm saying let alone get my point.
I didn't imply I was a pro, I'm good but idk if I call myself pro.
I nvr implied that ES,Zeal,Nigma Etc. were in D3, I was making a hypothetical situation for D2 you fucking retards, go read a few books and come back to me when your done.
The hypothetical situation showed the impact on D2's variety if Blizzard had automated it's stats.

You know what builds WOULDN'T have been effected that much by Auto Stat? Hammerdins, Trappers, Necros, and Ele Druids.
Lets check this again? What are the three most dominant builds in PvP? Hammerdins, Trappers, and Necros. [Your a fvcking noob if you refute this]
Bowa is the only Dominant build which would get raped by it.

So the Lesser Dominant Builds such as Barbs, Zealers, Smiters, Werewolves etc. get raped... in return EVERYONE makes either a Hammerdin, a Trapper, or a Necro, cuz the other builds aren't viable.
[They can make Ele Druid but imho, any Hdin, Trap, or Nec should rape an Ele Druid]
The same scenario is going to be true for D3. The limit of Str./Dex. is going to limit only 1 or two elite builds that are all going the be identical by skill stats and gear.

3 years from now, I don't want to hear you all crying "D3 sucks, everything is the same" when I told you 3 years beforehand.

I made my case, I don't need to explain this any further, either you got a brain cell and you get it or your fvcking stupid and just need to stfu until you grow a pair.

For those of you that say "Shut up, we all know your still going to buy it". Nope, not going to happen, you know why?
My PC is a 2000 Dell Optiplex with a 10 year old Graphics Card and only 512 RAM. That's not going to run D3 by a long shot, even IF I tried to upgrade my RAM and Graphics card with money I DON'T HAVE, because I pay bills lol. I was thinking on saving a little up and eventually buying a new computer that could run it a year from now but, rly, that was only for D3. My Optiplex is beast, it's a fking tank I tell ya, and I'm not going to waste my money on a computer for a game that's going to suck dlck. So, no, I'm not going to buy D3 until the auto-stat idea is trashed.

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Thank you... at least someone who's not noob gets it.

I can see it now... 2+ years from now
I'm still playing D2 and some D3 noob comes in a game
"I'm good at D3, I'm gonna be better than all of you"
We all do the "Sigh, D3 is for noobs" and the kid gets wtfpked hard.
He sticks to D3
End of story LAWLZ