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Sep 27 2012 12:37am
Quote (kylezo @ Sep 27 2012 02:35am)
I know.

Like I said, "I appreciate, in theory, the idea of buying BiS gear asap to avoid incremental upgrades."

And

"Of course I understand the concept of buying "the best" straight away so you don't have to waste resources on incremental upgrades. Would I have done that with Inna's chest? Hell no."

What you are missing is my entire point that upgrading 40 dex 40 vit bracers to 120 dex 120 vit 4 crit 100 dual res bracers for a quarter of the cost of an Innas chest is a WAY LARGER stepping stone and more cost effective. Yes, I know Inna's 2pc is top tier shit. No, I don't think the chest is good. The pants are good, the helm is good. Anyways, that's just me.


i dont understand your point, innas dosnt have bracers.

and 120 dex, 120 vit, 100 dual res bracers with 4+ crit are pretty much as expensive as innas chest.

if you take it up a step and go for 4% lacunis your looking at paying twice as much as innas chest.

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Sep 27 2012 12:42am
Quote (defcone @ Sep 26 2012 08:54pm)
You just get more from the fury if you have a slower weapon, and all D3 skills go off weapon damage so you want a high weapon damage weapon (Which usually means a slow one, mace, spear, axe).


The way I understand the attack speed decimal increase is that it actually is a DECIMAL increase. Like enchantress buff. It says 3% in the tooltip but it's actually .03 increase, aka faster weapons dont scale better (as they should in a percentage increase, dagger would gain .045 instead of .03 from 3%). So the decimal increase is flat. So since it's not scaling and percentage based, it should make no difference what speed your other weapon is, that's all up to playstyle. You're gonna get the .2-.25 aps increase either way, fast or slow in your other hand. Otherwise, if it was percentage based, faster would actually be better, but in this case it's just whatever attack speed you want to reach on your character. Is this wrong?
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Sep 27 2012 12:45am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 26 2012 10:37pm)
i dont understand your point, innas dosnt have bracers.

and 120 dex, 120 vit, 100 dual res bracers with 4+ crit are pretty much as expensive as innas chest.

if you take it up a step and go for 4% lacunis your looking at paying twice as much as innas chest.


Lol, I know there's no innas bracers. And 4% lacunis are going to be insane. But the example I made stands, whether or not you want to change it. I'm just saying Inna's chest, in and of itself, is really not very good, ESPECIALLY compared to a rare you could pick up for the same price. So I'd consider it money not very well spent if you have other slots that need huge upgrades (as OP said he needed). Anyways, dead horse is dead.
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Sep 27 2012 12:47am
Quote (kylezo @ Sep 27 2012 02:42am)
The way I understand the attack speed decimal increase is that it actually is a DECIMAL increase. Like enchantress buff. It says 3% in the tooltip but it's actually .03 increase, aka faster weapons dont scale better (as they should in a percentage increase, dagger would gain .045 instead of .03 from 3%). So the decimal increase is flat. So since it's not scaling and percentage based, it should make no difference what speed your other weapon is, that's all up to playstyle. You're gonna get the .2-.25 aps increase either way, fast or slow in your other hand. Otherwise, if it was percentage based, faster would actually be better, but in this case it's just whatever attack speed you want to reach on your character. Is this wrong?


sounds right for the most part, just want to add, its added to the base weapon speed, so +.22 would make a mace 1.42 then if ontop of that you have 50% attack speed it would add another .71 aps making your attack speed 2.13.

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Sep 27 2012 12:49am
Quote (kylezo @ Sep 27 2012 02:45am)
Lol, I know there's no innas bracers. And 4% lacunis are going to be insane. But the example I made stands, whether or not you want to change it. I'm just saying Inna's chest, in and of itself, is really not very good, ESPECIALLY compared to a rare you could pick up for the same price. So I'd consider it money not very well spent if you have other slots that need huge upgrades (as OP said he needed). Anyways, dead horse is dead.


"Innas 2pc set bonus is terrible"

so you disagree with this point you made and restate it as, "innas chest is terrible"?
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Sep 27 2012 01:11am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 26 2012 10:49pm)
"Innas 2pc set bonus is terrible"

so you disagree with this point you made and restate it as, "innas chest is terrible"?


Omg zombie horse!

You have to look at the context of my statement when I made it. 130 dex is GARBAGE in comparison to some other upgrades that could be made on that character. So in endgame, the 2pc bonus is great (and yes, I do think the chest sucks). But when you have 400+ dex you could be adding in other slots for a marginal cost (because current gear in said slots is bad), then the set bonus is ABSOLUTELY not worth the cost. For instance, even if I could afford 2 pc nats on my monk, I wouldn't get it now because the benefits would be far outweighed by the fact that I'd end up at like 400 res all and 26k health. In which case, Nats set bonus sucks, cuz it's just not worth the cost. However, that's not to say that Nats 2pc is unequivocally bad.

130 dex = good

400 dex = better

130 dex: 30m+

400 dex: 30m+

This is why the set bonus would suck. So having said that, OP just wanted some advice on his gear, I made one comment about spending tons of gold for an upgrade that could better be spent elsewhere, and /thread. lol. Can we stop now?


Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 26 2012 10:47pm)
sounds right for the most part, just want to add, its added to the base weapon speed, so +.22 would make a mace 1.42 then if ontop of that you have 50% attack speed it would add another .71 aps making your attack speed 2.13.


I didn't actually know %aps on weap was added after decimal increase from EF, in which case, faster weapons would benefit even more than slow weapons, although only slightly.

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Sep 27 2012 01:17am
Quote (kylezo @ Sep 27 2012 03:11am)
Omg zombie horse!

You have to look at the context of my statement when I made it. 130 dex is GARBAGE in comparison to some other upgrades that could be made on that character. So in endgame, the 2pc bonus is great (and yes, I do think the chest sucks). But when you have 400+ dex you could be adding in other slots for a marginal cost (because current gear in said slots is bad), then the set bonus is ABSOLUTELY not worth the cost. For instance, even if I could afford 2 pc nats on my monk, I wouldn't get it now because the benefits would be far outweighed by the fact that I'd end up at like 400 res all and 26k health. In which case, Nats set bonus sucks, cuz it's just not worth the cost. However, that's not to say that Nats 2pc is unequivocally bad.
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you are using exaples that dont actually exist in the game.

30 mil bracers dont magically cost 1/4 of innas armor just because you say they do.

400 dex is absolutely worthless by itself, and to get 400+ dex with just the additional vita and all res that other peices would need would cost way more then 30 mil.

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Sep 27 2012 01:47am
K. Since you wont let it die.

200 dex on boots, dual res, 100 vit...maybe 700k. Give the OP some credit and say his old boots were 100 dex. You're 1/4 of the way there are at a tiny fraction of the cost. Where these get expensive is when you add MS. We don't need to.

90/90 dual res crit bracers, since you seem to think 120/120 costs too much. Those would be maybe a couple hundred K. I'll say 300k (that's more than I've ever paid for bracers but its an even mill now).

Gloves with hi-ish dex, maybe 175...I'll give him 5 mil for this since they should also have at least one res/some vit/crit and api. that's at least 75 more dex, since OP said his old gear was garbage. Lets call that 200 dex for fun. Halfway there and we got ... about 22 mil to go. Also added lots of DPS and some res, woot. you're also way past the 130 dex Inna's bonus now.

Ok, I'm now allergic to this conversation. I'll say whatever you want me to say since you seem to hate me and are convinced everything I say is wrong. Inna's 2pc is great, no matter what gear you currently have, and you should definitely buy the chest in particular for at least 30m asap. It's way cheaper and more cost effective than upgrading the rest of your shitty gear.
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Sep 27 2012 01:52am
Quote (kylezo @ Sep 27 2012 03:47am)
K. Since you wont let it die.

200 dex on boots, dual res, 100 vit...maybe 700k. Give the OP some credit and say his old boots were 100 dex. You're 1/4 of the way there are at a tiny fraction of the cost. Where these get expensive is when you add MS. We don't need to.

90/90 dual res crit bracers, since you seem to think 120/120 costs too much. Those would be maybe a couple hundred K. I'll say 300k (that's more than I've ever paid for bracers but its an even mill now).

Gloves with hi-ish dex, maybe 175...I'll give him 5 mil for this since they should also have at least one res/some vit/crit and api. that's at least 75 more dex, since OP said his old gear was garbage. Lets call that 200 dex for fun. Halfway there and we got ... about 22 mil to go. Also added lots of DPS and some res, woot. you're also way past the 130 dex Inna's bonus now.

Ok, I'm now allergic to this conversation. I'll say whatever you want me to say since you seem to hate me and are convinced everything I say is wrong. Inna's 2pc is great, no matter what gear you currently have, and you should definitely buy the chest in particular for at least 30m asap. It's way cheaper and more cost effective than upgrading the rest of your shitty gear.


ss or gtfo.

you can say what ever you want, the reality is:

"Innas 2pc set bonus is terrible" was a stupid statement and what you really ment to say was "innas chest is terrible for what it costs".

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Sep 27 2012 01:54am
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Sep 27 2012 02:07am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 26 2012 11:52pm)
ss or gtfo.

you can say what ever you want, the reality is:

"Innas 2pc set bonus is terrible" was a stupid statement and what you really ment to say was "innas chest is terrible for what it costs".


I'll take it ^_^
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