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Jan 2 2013 09:12pm
Quote (Tboner @ Jan 2 2013 07:09pm)
problems in what way? dying?

even I died recently in an ubers run kuz I got unlucky and siege picked me up and slammed me into 2 of kulles nados.. was like insta death.. they just hit like trucks.. also ur res/armor are a bit low

i always make sure I have my pot finger ready when siege picks me up for a slam.. also try to anticipate when he will pick u up.. if there are nados around gtfout of there


I usually have no problem with dying except when ZK gets extremely low (~3m life or less) and he teleports on me and kills me.

I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. I don't die to picks up / nados / fire balls or... rarely do anyways. Am I hitting enrage? If so, is my DPS that low??
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Jan 2 2013 09:22pm
Quote (Tboner @ Jan 3 2013 01:13am)
you would need 75+ias to hit 3.33 with an axe mainhand.. thats just possible with tal armor.. and all ias pieces (innas, lacunis) and u lose out on average dmg from mace and are overshooting the 2.86 bp on EF side

so like i said.. just not worth it.. better to go 2.86/2.86 with mace/ef


If u get axe with base ias u dont need tal armor.

Another thing ive realized is that loh becomes viable again if u aim for the high procs, this leads to more options. For example on amulet where u can get a big loh, u might be able to sac lez say ur belt or oh life steal vs like a 600+ loh.

Witching hour is a very attractive might be easier to motivate as superior item to lets say a defensive belt with life steal what i feel like a big controversy for many ppl. Although ppl use whitching already and i think alot of them benefit more from ls belt with the setup they have.
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Jan 2 2013 09:34pm
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If u get axe with base ias u dont need tal armor.

Another thing ive realized is that loh becomes viable again if u aim for the high procs, this leads to more options.  For example on amulet where u can get a big loh, u might be able to sac lez say ur belt or oh life steal vs like a 600+ loh.

Witching hour is a very attractive might be easier to motivate as superior item to lets say a defensive belt with life steal what i feel like a big controversy for many ppl. Although ppl use whitching already and i think alot of them benefit more from ls belt with the setup they have.


yes but using an ias mainhand is a big no no, lowers the average damage for the DPS

and thats not how loh works, lifesteal outperforms LOH by a long long shot, i did the math it was something rediculous like 3000 loh to be as effective as 6% lifesteal with avg nado damage of 20k per tick, and adding more ticks doesnt change things kuz you would be adding more 20k avg dmg ticks for lifesteal

and yes WH vs IK belt is a huge debate depends on your other gear what is best..

like if I had an amazing 1100+dps str crit socket lifesteal mace, a really nice pair of IK gloves and resists on some other piece.. sure id use a WH.. but the WH would need all res and str/vit as well :P

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 2 2013 09:35pm
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Jan 2 2013 09:50pm
Ias increases dps check ah all the biggest dps weapons on screen have base attack speed. If u have same dps but hit faster it will increase your loh and not your lifesteal. Im sure u know the math better then i do behind how the life on hit works.
From my own testing the loh works very well if u get a very high proc it almost feel like prepatch :D
Gosh I miss those days T_T
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Jan 2 2013 09:50pm
Hello to this thread as well - what would you upgrade next?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/mythos-2693/hero/531517

do you see any mistakes?
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Jan 2 2013 10:03pm
Quote (csoszak @ Jan 2 2013 08:50pm)
Ias increases dps check ah all the biggest dps weapons on screen have base attack speed. If u have same dps but hit faster it will increase your loh and not your lifesteal. Im sure u know the math better then i do behind how the life on hit works.
From my own testing the loh works very well if u get a very high proc it almost feel like prepatch :D
Gosh I miss those days T_T


yes but im talking average damage here (raw damage) the xxx-xxxx damage on a weapon, this is what nados go by

like, a 1000dps weapon with 1.2 base speed vs a 1000dps weapon with 1.4 base speed.. the 1.2 base speed one will have much more raw damage which is best for tornados.

and even 900loh = only 72 life per tick, @ 30 ticks per nado thats 2160life returned

with 3% lifesteal @ average of 20k per tick (pretty lowball) thats 120life per tick, so 3600life returned, and again, 20k per tick is pretty lowball even considering non crit ticks.. so.. lifesteal is much much better always
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Jan 2 2013 10:24pm
Quote (Mythos @ Jan 2 2013 08:50pm)
Hello to this thread as well - what would you upgrade next?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/mythos-2693/hero/531517

do you see any mistakes?


looks great man :) awesome base to build upon

id say.. ur pretty lacking in CHD.. try to uprade ur crit gems or possibly get a mainhand with slightly less dps but a socket and base crit
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Jan 3 2013 11:35am
Hey bud I made several adjustments using your budget barb, comments on my initial posts and many others. I'm curious as to your thoughts and/or suggestions a good next move or two. I feel like I have solid gear just low grade for the most part and I'm working on weapon adjustments aka EF w/ crit as OH and a good rare mace MH. I'd switch what I have now but my OH is much better as just that imo, an OH. Any info is much appreciated man, anytime you get a minute :)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/whitechapel-1493/hero/19310984
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Quote (Sikis @ Jan 3 2013 10:35am)
Hey bud I made several adjustments using your budget barb, comments on my initial posts and many others. I'm curious as to your thoughts and/or suggestions a good next move or two. I feel like I have solid gear just low grade for the most part and I'm working on weapon adjustments aka EF w/ crit as OH and a good rare mace MH. I'd switch what I have now but my OH is much better as just that imo, an OH. Any info is much appreciated man, anytime you get a minute :)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/whitechapel-1493/hero/19310984


good job :) looks good to me

id say.. since u dont have any crit on helm/lacuni u desperately need crit everywhere else you can get it.. so try for a new right ring with 4+CC/CHD/AVG DMG/STR

after that nothing needs an immediate upgrade armor wise so then focus on weapons - get a nice MH mace first, you could just use your current EF as OH until you get a lower dps / socket one

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 3 2013 01:43pm
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Jan 3 2013 03:17pm
Quote (Tboner @ Jan 3 2013 02:42pm)
good job :) looks good to me

id say.. since u dont have any crit on helm/lacuni u desperately need crit everywhere else you can get it.. so try for a new right ring with 4+CC/CHD/AVG DMG/STR

after that nothing needs an immediate upgrade armor wise so then focus on weapons - get a nice MH mace first, you could just use your current EF as OH until you get a lower dps / socket one


Thanks! Perfect man, exactly my thoughts, been siftin' for a ring with CD too, thanks again!
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