Quote (nasichs @ Sep 7 2012 05:37am)

3% from 70k = 2100 and on inferno the value is reduced to 20% = 420
but ...
having crit chance 30% and crit dmg 300% means that once per 3 times you will have 1260

Quote (Elchali @ Sep 7 2012 05:41am)

Nope.
Crit chance and crit damage are already counted in the 70k damage.
The 420 is an average number based on your damage and life steal. Sometimes you'll get more life per hit (especially when you crit), and other times you'll get less life per hit.

Quote (ButtPirate7 @ 7 Sep 2012 10:39)

and did you forget i said "it was expensive"?

you were too busy taking that sand out of your vagina.  There aint any wasted stats on the weapons wit the desireable monk stat.

and you CAN get high loh + life steal+ 190 dex+ socket+ base crit on a weapon.  Theres a 8xx dps fist wit one right now on AH.  Its possible but not often dropped, aka why they get expensive.  Im sure you can prolly spawn a xx ed% mod too in it and it would push the weapon to the 1k dps range.

but on answering your question.  3% life steal only works at like 5% effectiveness of whatever that life leech number is(if its not 5% of it, then just supliment the number for whatever it is, but i know its something small).  So 3% 70k dps = 2100.  Then 5% of that is 105.  So you'd only have like 105 loh with 3% life steal @ 70k dps...
My math is prolly wrong cause i bad at math haha.  But i cant give the exact answer cause i not sure if my formulas are even right :0.  But thats what it is with the simple multiplication...

Quote (Ylem122 @ 7 Sep 2012 12:20)

1800 loh maxes out at 4k life. this means that you will never be able to gain back more then 4k life from any one attack, and in the instance of 4k life it would have to be the third hit from FOT/tc where you get 1 hit from the attack, 1 hit from the fot aoe, and 1 hit from the tc aoe, thats 3 hits but with the 75% coefficeint it only totals to 225%.

in comparison i do 60k dps vs 15 monsters =900k dmg at 2 aps with 5% ls thats about 4.5k life steal when hitting with crippling waves 3rd strike to do 110% dmg in 360 degrees. (not factoring in overawe, or sweeping winds, or the 10% extra weapon dmg from crippling wave)

they are very much equal depending on the situation.

Quote (sandied @ Sep 7 2012 06:26am)

who need more then 4k life per sec anyways?

you can see what i say now is i was asking when life steal will be better then life on hit i know i can get both but i cant get relly good weapon with both thats why i ask when life steal will be better then life on hit becouse we can get 1200 dps weapon with crit and sox and life steal but we can only get about 1000 dps weapon on ah right now becouse there is never any good life on hit on ah so thats why we wanna know how high dmg we need to make up for it but you just ask us to get both and we never asked about that we wont a good weapon 1200 dmg with good stats not a 800 weapon with both stats

Quote (Ylem122 @ 7 Sep 2012 12:32)

the point of all this has been so tha you can grasp so there is no xxx=xxx, its all about the situation and how your build does aoe.

i could have 30k dps but if im doing 30k dps to 20 monsters thats 600k dmg im leaching from which could be comparable to 1.5k loh

I could have 100k dps with 6% life steal but if im only atatcking 1 monster and i attack at 2 aps thats only comparable to 400 loh.

Quote (sandied @ Sep 7 2012 06:33am)

that what i was asking so you saying life steal never gonna be better on few mobs no matter what dps
ty for clearing that up

so i just stay with my 800 life on hit weapons and 1000 dps crit sox dex for now til better come on ah

Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 7 2012 12:40am)

no im saying that you want LOH for when you only have that 1 elite left or your fighting a boss, and you want Life steal for when 2 packs get mixed up and you have to fight all 6 elites at once, or theres 50 whites chasing after you, or theres a pack surrounded by like 20 whites and your fighing them all at once.

like if im doing 60k dps, once i factor in Overawe and sweeping winds, thats over 100k dps, vs 6 elite monsters im doing about 50k dmg per attack, thats 300k dmg per attack or with 3% life steal 1800 life or about 1k loh.

im saying that having both is the best option, even if its just 3% ls and 1k loh.

Quote (ButtPirate7 @ Sep 7 2012 07:00am)

@ Ylem122: dont bother explaining to that idiot LOL.

we already told him clearly like 5 billion times to get BOTH loh and life steal for situational purposes. Nobody did say you had to have life steal n loh on both weaps. Can have 1 life steal one and then 1 with loh ...

But question on weapon affix
so do those min to max dam properties... say like + 301- 634 to arcane dam. Is that considered 2 property roll already?