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Dec 30 2012 01:52pm
battletag is foc#2886 (Europe)

Regardless of what char tab says I'm currently playing WW barb at :

-136k dps unbuffed

-2.0 aps breakpoint

-about 5000armor

-550-600 AR

-64% DR

-52cc unbuffed

-52k hp

Please help me decide what to upgrade / change next. My pants, boots (temporary) are pretty low, so are bracers and rings maybe. I feel like I am at the point, where my dps is too high for lower MPs, while my survavibility is still too low on higher MPs.

Maybe it is a matter of lifesteal / ias bps / maybe a playstyle problem... Anyway, I think I should focus on upgrading my defensive stats now.

What are your suggestions, what to change first and how. I'm aiming at 24frw barb, so I need lacuni + Inna's preferably, but no idea how to do it without losing res and hp (and without changing like 2-3 items at once).

Some notes :

- I don't feel too comfortable with changing my MH weapon, I think it's pretty fine for now.

- I am not and will not be using Bloodthirst rune (even Boon which I'm using occasionally is way better IMO)

- I'm looking for some significant upgrades (not huge maybe, but aiming at ~30M per item minimum - may vary depending on what realm you're playing)

Thanks in advance, yes... wall of text ~~
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Quote (Focuz @ Dec 30 2012 12:52pm)
battletag is foc#2886 (Europe)

Regardless of what char tab says I'm currently playing WW barb at :

-136k dps unbuffed

-2.0 aps breakpoint

-about 5000armor

-550-600 AR

-64% DR

-52cc unbuffed

-52k hp

Please help me decide what to upgrade / change next. My pants, boots (temporary) are pretty low, so are bracers and rings maybe. I feel like I am at the point, where my dps is too high for lower MPs, while my survavibility is still too low on higher MPs.

Maybe it is a matter of lifesteal / ias bps / maybe a playstyle problem... Anyway, I think I should focus on upgrading my defensive stats now.

What are your suggestions, what to change first and how. I'm aiming at 24frw barb, so I need lacuni + Inna's preferably, but no idea how to do it without losing res and hp (and without changing like 2-3 items at once).

Some notes :

- I don't feel too comfortable with changing my MH weapon, I think it's pretty fine for now.

- I am not and will not be using Bloodthirst rune (even Boon which I'm using occasionally is way better IMO)

- I'm looking for some significant upgrades (not huge maybe, but aiming at ~30M per item minimum - may vary depending on what realm you're playing)

Thanks in advance, yes... wall of text ~~


Cant see what skills you are using that makes a difference (Mainly if ur using warcry or not, you should be will free up a lot of gear choices)

belt without lifesteal isnt very good these days.. so easy and cheap to get a nice IK belt

and imo innas pants are for higher geared barbs id stay away from them for now and get movespeed from lacuni+boots
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Dec 30 2012 04:43pm
Right, skillls :

Trying Killing spree Overpower lately.

Crushing Advance Overpower, Bloodlust Rend earlier (from what I observed Rend might be slightly better in terms of survivability, but you know... you have to stop ww, that sucks). Nevertheless, I'm not using WC Impunity.
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Dec 30 2012 05:24pm
Quote (Focuz @ Dec 30 2012 03:43pm)
Right, skillls :

Trying Killing spree Overpower lately.

Crushing Advance Overpower, Bloodlust Rend earlier (from what I observed Rend might be slightly better in terms of survivability, but you know... you have to stop ww, that sucks). Nevertheless, I'm not using WC Impunity.


mm yea crushing advance is nice but personally I find warcry more reliable but up to you I guess.. having around 6500 armor / 650 resists is like perfect for higher mps, then you just need enough loh/lifesteal until comfortable.. but having 2.2/2.5 APS breakpoints helps a lot as well
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Just bought some random IK belt for testing and it seems it makes a huge difference, more LS was the way to go. I'll drop some LS, when I achieve more dps then, but for the moment it's extremely comfortable for mp6/7/8 (no point doing higher than 6/7 with my dps though). The reason i didn't use WC was my survivability, I had more with crushing advance and rend (but that's probably because I lacked %LS from items or enough dps for my ~5% LS). I'll test it now then.

So I guess I'll get some nice Lacuni's paired with MS boots for 24%frw, any farther suggestions? Should I focus on rings, pants and hitting higher ias bp (guess that's easiest achievable with echo) before switching weapons ?
Is blackthrone combo (chest, pants) worth it btw? I'm not switching to mempo anytime soon (unless I find one, but there are so much parts to upgrade cheaper), so I'll still have 2-3 parts IK bonus, and blackthorne seems like a nice hp + loh boost.

Thanks.
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Quote (Focuz @ Dec 31 2012 02:43am)
Just bought some random IK belt for testing and it seems it makes a huge difference, more LS was the way to go. I'll drop some LS, when I achieve more dps then, but for the moment it's extremely comfortable  for mp6/7/8 (no point doing higher than 6/7 with my dps though). The reason i didn't use WC was my survivability, I had more with crushing advance and rend (but that's probably because I lacked %LS from items or enough dps for my ~5% LS). I'll test it now then.

So I guess I'll get some nice Lacuni's paired with MS boots for 24%frw, any farther suggestions? Should I focus on rings, pants and hitting higher ias bp (guess that's easiest achievable with echo)  before switching weapons ?
Is blackthrone combo (chest, pants) worth it btw? I'm not switching to mempo anytime soon (unless I find one, but there are so much parts to upgrade cheaper), so I'll still have 2-3 parts IK bonus, and blackthorne seems like a nice hp + loh boost.

Thanks.



Quote (Tboner @ Dec 29 2012 08:18pm)
Cant edit in now but ill add this in

common breakpoints and IAS needed to hit the breakpoints (in WOTB, dual wielding, add 25ias for not in wotb)

Using formula breakpoint you want to hit divided by base weapon speed minus 1.4

eg for myself, 2.5/1.45 - 1.4 = .324 (33 ias needed)







BASE weapon speed = 1.2 (Mace) = 27 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 44ias needed for 2.2 APS, 69ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.3 (Axe) = 14 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 30ias needed for 2.2 APS, 53 ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.4 (Sword) = 3 ias needed for 2.0 APS, 18ias needed for 2.2 APS, 39ias needed for 2.5 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.45 (Mace with +.25 Echo, or echo itself) = 12ias needed for 2.2 APS, 33 ias needed for 2.5 APS, 58ias needed for 2.86 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.5 (Dagger) = 7ias needed for 2.2 APS, 27ias needed for 2.5 APS, 51ias needed for 2.86 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.65 (Sword with .25 Echo) = 12ias needed for 2.5 APS, 34ias needed for 2.86 APS, 63ias needed for 3.34 APS

BASE weapon speed = 1.75 (Dagger with .25 Echo) = 3 ias needed for 2.5 APS, 24ias needed for 2.86 APS, 51ias needed for 3.34 APS






This shows why if using Echoing fury as a mainhand using a sword as your OH is ideal (Since ias needed is 33/34 for 2.5APS breakpoint, very close)

or for some HOTA build that uses sword as mainhand for the 15% dmg increase if you dont need the crit chance, with echo OH



You want to hit at least 2.0/2.2 APS breakpoints, even with perfect ias lacuni ull need one more ias item (Preferably 9) then you can get a .23+ attack speed Echoing fury and still hit the breakpoint i think

then you would have 2.5/2.5 APS breakpoints and it helps a lot with survivability, fury regen, getting more overpower casts

you could afford to lose some life possibly.. a socketed andies helm with low -% fire might be an option to get that IAS

if you can afford it id say those are your first steps is getting one more ias piece after lacuni then getting an echo offhand.. might want to invest also in a cold damage soj (and possibly a buriza wielding scoundrel) tho to counter fear procs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVyeiG4QB4

that shows what 2.5APS is like :)

This post was edited by Tboner on Dec 31 2012 05:07pm
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Dec 31 2012 05:21pm
Nice Tboner
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Dec 31 2012 07:05pm
how come frenzy doenst change on screen APS in the "details" section
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Dec 31 2012 08:20pm
Quote (blinkyvx1 @ Dec 31 2012 06:05pm)
how come frenzy  doenst change on screen APS in the "details" section


it only affects frenzy so I guess they figured it might confuse people into thinking it affects all skills
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Quote (Tboner @ Jan 1 2013 02:20am)
it only affects frenzy so I guess they figured it might confuse people into thinking it affects all skills


lmao they got me
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