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May 22 2013 10:51am
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May 22 2013 10:53am
Quote (BadassWarrior @ May 22 2013 08:29pm)
Mine wiz is ~2.5b , 252k 100% unbuffed. 350 buffed solos mp10 like a boss xD

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/peace-2422/hero/10827509


Pretty badly assembled wizard. Super unbalanced. I doubt you can play it higher than mp8 without dying a lot pretty much to anything. 3k armor, 628 all res, 579 loh and 17 apoc? That's look horrible. And use Glass Cannon with those stats? And no Shocking Armor? Dude, paper dps might stroke your e-peen a bit, but in reality you are less effective than 180k dps sns wiz with proper ehp.


Quote (jinshin85 @ May 22 2013 08:25pm)
Yeah dude. It's awesome.

1 more questions now.

I want to upgrade my wiz to have more dmg now that I'm very down with playing it. I rarely die on mp10 solo or full game.

Can you give me some gear advice? I'm going to craft gloves. Other than that, what would be the good upgrade? Let's just say that I can drop 2bil on this for fun.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JinShin85-1163/hero/190221

I wanted to hit 3 breakpoint with 1.65 wand and a crit mempo, but i would need 12% more attack speed which would require me to get 2 more slots.

Maybe get 200-300 more loh on either my rare ring or nats ring and get both crit mempo and innas pants?

Or should I just focus on getting the dmg out at the current breakpoint?

What's the best? You are the expert.





After cleaning cash and cookies neither b-net pages nor diabloprogress ones display item previes for me in Mozilla, lol. Had to watch at your wiz thru IE. First of all, wizard above is an example of poorly assembled wizard that basically won't work on higher mps, don't follow that. Here is what you need:

Trifecta gloves with AR. Try to keep cc high, it's your effective dps and freezing capabilities.
All res/armor Witching Hour and all res/armor Tal chest. Seriously man, those are not that expensive, get them.
6 cc Storm with 10 apoc 400+loh, 4% to elites.
Source with double int/vita roll.
Better Amulet (like 9cc/60 cd+ and ias enough to hit breakpoint) with more int and preferably some armor/all res/loh.
Right ring is decent, trifecta would be expensive here
As far as it goes for nat's ring, BIS for your budget are int/cc/all res ones.

Don't chase paper dps, our build doesn't work that way.

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May 22 2013 11:06am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ May 22 2013 09:53am)
Pretty badly assembled wizard. Super unbalanced. I doubt you can play it higher than mp8 without dying a lot pretty much to anything. 3k armor, 628 all res, 579 loh and 17 apoc? That's look horrible. And use Glass Cannon with those stats? And no Shocking Armor? Dude, paper dps might stroke your e-peen a bit, but in reality you are less effective than 180k dps sns wiz with proper ehp.




After cleaning cash and cookies neither b-net pages nor diabloprogress ones display item previes for me in Mozilla, lol. Had to watch at your wiz thru IE. First of all, wizard above is an example of poorly assembled wizard that basically won't work on higher mps, don't follow that. Here is what you need:

Trifecta gloves with AR. Try to keep cc high, it's your effective dps and freezing capabilities.
All res/armor Witching Hour and all res/armor Tal chest. Seriously man, those are not that expensive, get them.
6 cc Storm with 10 apoc 400+loh, 4% to elites.
Source with double int/vita roll.
Better Amulet (like 9cc/60 cd+ and ias enough to hit breakpoint) with more int and preferably some armor/all res/loh.
Right ring is decent, trifecta would be expensive here
As far as it goes for nat's ring, BIS for your budget are int/cc/all res ones.

Don't chase paper dps, our build doesn't work that way.


Cool cool. Thanks for that.

So, once I hit the 2.73 breakpoint, more attack speed doesn't do much huh?

Is that why you are suggesting to stick with the storm crow and non apoc but better chant source?

I'll definitely work on glove/ammy/tal chest/WH. Those were just in my stash for long time but thought they would work for testing. But yeah, those will be cheap and effective upgrades.

Nat's ring, ill shop around. pretty sure I can snag one for cheap if I camp a little.

I'll update on this when I get couple gears.
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May 22 2013 11:08am
Quote (moogleslam @ 21 May 2013 10:39)
Been away from Wizards for a while so I’m a bit rusty, but my son is looking to bring back his one (currently some low paragon level…. 3 or something like that).

He’s thinking of going with a Critical Mass build again (unless someone has a better suggestion?)

We put together a build plan with some key stats to search for in the AH, that comes in right at his 30 million budget.  Are we going in the wrong direction with anything?  I will admit I haven’t given much thought to attack speed break points.

Chantodo's Will – 700 AVG DMG, 0.24 APS
Chantodo's Force – 240 AVG DMG
Mempo of Twilight – 90 VIT
Inna's Temperance – 80 INT
Blackthorne's Duncraig Cross – 8 CC, 600 LOH
Rare Ring 1 – 60 All RES, 4.5 CC, 8 IAS
Rare Ring 2 – 60 All RES, 4.5 CC, 8 IAS
Rare Gloves – 9 CC, 9 IAS, 30 CD
Zunimassa's Trail – 185 INT, 85 VIT
Tal Rasha's Relentless Pursuit – 55 ALL RES
Vile Ward – 190 INT, 95
Lacuni Prowlers – 65 Vit, 5.5 CC
The Witching Hour - 160 INT


Quote (Jaytron @ 21 May 2013 22:03)
Needs more APOC. For budget builds, it's usually recommended that you go 3pc Zuni+Storm Crow.



Unless you're getting him an APOC Force and Crit mempo...


Quote (LolBastard @ 22 May 2013 00:37)
Remember to buy Apoc chantodos force, otherway u gonna suck. So u might lower Chantodos force avg dmg with that budget. 18+ Apoc is absolutely needed Imo. Otherwise ur out of Arcane every half sec.
Also Don't buy Innas temperance with that budget. Buy Blackthorne jousting mail. U will hit 24 % ms with Lacuni and Zuni boots, so u dont need innas pants. 600 LoH from blackthorne Amu + 400 from Bt pants is about 1k Loh and thats enough. U get also 100 vit bonus.


Quote (BadassWarrior @ 22 May 2013 04:58)
Ice climbers is owning zunimas..


Made a few changes. We did forget entirely about APOC, so we found a Chantodo's Force with 9 on it. Think he's at 18 or 19 now.

We also dropped the Zunimassa's Boots - we had kinda left those on the list from when he was planning to use Zunimassa's ring, but that was too expensive for now, so there was no partial set bonus we were gaining. We went with Ice Climbers instead.

The final gear we bought with search criteria was:

Chantodo's Will – 700 AVG DMG, 0.24 APS
Chantodo's Force – 140 AVG DMG, 9 APOC
Mempo of Twilight – 90 VIT, 9 IAS
Inna's Temperance – 80 INT
Blackthorne's Duncraig Cross – 8 CC, 600 LOH, 9 IAS
Rare Ring 1 – 65 All RES, 4.5 CC, 9 IAS
Rare Ring 2 – 50 All RES, 4.5 CC, 8 IAS
Rare Gloves – 9 CC, 9 IAS, 30 CD
Ice Climbers – 230 INT, 70 VIT
Tal Rasha's Relentless Pursuit – 190 INT, 160 VIT
Vile Ward – 190 INT, 95
Lacuni Prowlers – 85 Vit, 4.5 CC
The Witching Hour - 145 INT

He managed all that for under 23 million with some good deals here and there.

You can see his profile here, though he still needs to socket his items, as he kinda ran outta time before he had to go to school this morning.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/mooglejordan-1186/hero/12480485

I've heard a 2.74 breakpoint mentioned, but he's way over 3 aps - what's the next breakpoint after 2.74? Now that we've put the gear together, are their any weaknesses? Not enough LoH? Not enough CC? His resists may look a bit low, but he will always be playing with my Barb who has Warcry Impunity.

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May 22 2013 11:20am
Quote (jinshin85 @ May 22 2013 09:06pm)
Cool cool. Thanks for that.

So, once I hit the 2.73 breakpoint, more attack speed doesn't do much huh?

Is that why you are suggesting to stick with the storm crow and non apoc but better chant source?

I'll definitely work on glove/ammy/tal chest/WH. Those were just in my stash for long time but thought they would work for testing. But yeah, those will be cheap and effective upgrades.

Nat's ring, ill shop around. pretty sure I can snag one for cheap if I camp a little.

I'll update on this when I get couple gears.


Once you hit the breakpoint, all added ias is just boosting your paper dps and making you spam winds tiny teeny bit faster so it's not really effective. It's only effective if you have 8 perfect ias pieces (9 ias) with 1,65 wand and you are using Time Stretch (it's taking you to 3,00 aps breakpoint). About Force - you should definitely try and snatch double int/vita Force. I prefer to play with 3 apoc pieces because I like meteors, but 2 10 apoc pieces is enough for standard sns.
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May 22 2013 11:24am
Nice stuff for the budget man. :)

Here is his profile on d3rawr. I plugged in more numbers for gems in the armors.

The next bp after 2.73 is 3, and he's at 3. So, that's pretty good.

But his ehp is very low. He shouldn't use glass cannon. He should just use something else and use Shard rune on diamond skin.

What mp you guys are going to play?

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-F5DDC

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May 22 2013 11:27am
Quote (Mad1Lee @ May 22 2013 10:20am)
Once you hit the breakpoint, all added ias is just boosting your paper dps and making you spam winds tiny teeny bit faster so it's not really effective. It's only effective if you have 8 perfect ias pieces (9 ias) with 1,65 wand and you are using Time Stretch (it's taking you to 3,00 aps breakpoint). About Force - you should definitely try and snatch double int/vita Force. I prefer to play with 3 apoc pieces because I like meteors, but 2 10 apoc pieces is enough for standard sns.


Ah, that makes sense. Got it. I'll keep my bp at 2.74 and upgrade other slots. I've tried your build with meteor. It was fun but I like teleport wormhole so much that I think I'm gonna stick with it.

What do you think about my BT pants? My friend gave it to me for free. Do you think it's alright to drop either all res or armor for 2 sockets or double int/vital roll?

Thanks mang
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May 22 2013 11:30am
[QUOTE=Mad1Lee,May 22 2013 06:53pm]Pretty badly assembled wizard. Super unbalanced. I doubt you can play it higher than mp8 without dying a lot pretty much to anything. 3k armor, 628 all res, 579 loh and 17 apoc? That's look horrible. And use Glass Cannon with those stats? And no Shocking Armor? Dude, paper dps might stroke your e-peen a bit, but in reality you are less effective than 180k dps sns wiz with proper ehp.




im 777-821@ buffed 4.2k armor. 579 loh i enough and 17 apoc i enough. im doing JUST fine at mp10 soloing. and they'r dying fast.
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May 22 2013 11:37am
Damn I should change my keys from 1234 to zxcv and left click to scroll up or something if that's even possible. That'll be much easier to play.

Good thing I had my wiz on my 2nd account.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on May 22 2013 11:37am
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May 22 2013 11:54am
[QUOTE=BadassWarrior,May 22 2013 09:30pm][QUOTE=Mad1Lee,May 22 2013 06:53pm]Pretty badly assembled wizard. Super unbalanced. I doubt you can play it higher than mp8 without dying a lot pretty much to anything. 3k armor, 628 all res, 579 loh and 17 apoc? That's look horrible. And use Glass Cannon with those stats? And no Shocking Armor? Dude, paper dps might stroke your e-peen a bit, but in reality you are less effective than 180k dps sns wiz with proper ehp.




im 777-821@ buffed 4.2k armor. 579 loh i enough and 17 apoc i enough. im doing JUST fine at mp10 soloing. and they'r dying fast.[/QUOTE]

so you are using energy armor? That means you are losing 30-40% of your effective dps. 579 LOH at this mitigation? That means plagued/reflect will destroy you. 17 apoc? That means a lot of awkard wand attacks.
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