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May 31 2012 05:11pm
Quote (Marley550 @ May 31 2012 06:08pm)
You must have got one killer deal on that considering I see Lich's with much less than those stats going for millions on the AH.  I see a 379 with intelligence going for 3 million.


You have to spend some time looking for one but there are a bunch of good orbs for very cheap
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May 31 2012 05:12pm
Quote (PerfectLuck @ May 31 2012 06:09pm)
Not entirely sure what you mean with the bolded...and jesus christ no need to get all defensive and conceptual, I'm just pointing weapon IAS effects on the orb may make two weapons of equal DPS differ in actual DPS.

But i'll reiterate some concepts as well
1)Attack speed on the weapon is multiplied by attack speed from armor (gloves, amulets and rings).
2 (theory)) Attack speed increases on a weapon are part of the weapon's attack speed. Thus not added to the attack speed from gloves/amulets/rings.
3) Orbs add to the damage per hit of your weapon, thus will be multiplied by the weapon attack speed and then ONCE AGAIN by your gloves/amulets rings.


1 is exactly what he meant with his bold.

2 is a restatement of 1

3 is fundamentally correct too, but you can also take a 1000 dps 2h weapon and "split" it into a 800 dps "1h" and a 200 dps "offhand". The 800 and 200 are also both increased by armor/jewelry ias.

EDIT: I saw this as I was reading up

Quote (Ericthemidget @ May 31 2012 05:34pm)
First I replaced my 1 hand 900 1.40 wand and source with a 2 handed 1250 dps wep.  Increase my dps from 31000 to 40k when buffed.

No source can do this


Not true. Coupled with a ~250 average offhand, your wand+offhand effective dps becomes (900/1.4 + 250)x1.4 = 1250 (on the dot). In addition, a 900 dps 1h is "fundamentally" equivalent to a 1150 dps 2h, so it wasn't even fair to compare them to start with.

EDIT 2: I suppose 950 1h's are similar to 1250's in price, and this doesn't even take into consideration the cost of a high damage offhand. I'll accept that 2h's are much more price-efficient at increasing dps, as long as you have enough IAS to maintain decent kiting

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May 31 2012 05:13pm
Quote (Wolf420 @ May 31 2012 06:09pm)
use jsp, i believe i found someone who didnt know prices :P


ahhhhhhhh!! lucky you!

:wallbash:


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May 31 2012 05:15pm
Welp my bad, thought there was a disagreement.

Well from what I've seen from the auction house, 2h seems to be the most cost efficient DPS increaser, albeit at the cost of attack speed.

[edit]I mainly came to this stuff because I was trying to see what 200k could get me at the AH. I got a 1160ish 2h and it's better than my 60-300 orb and 658 1h sword with combined 180ish int. I found that if I wanted more DPS from a 1h and Orb, I'd need a Sword of about 827 with no Int, 789 with 50 int, and 753 with 100 int in order to beat the 2h. More damage required for weapons with lower attack speed.

And those weapons are about the same, if not more costly than the 2h I got. AND You need a good orb.

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Quote (qgan0914 @ May 31 2012 04:12pm)
1 is exactly what he meant with his bold.
EDIT 2: I suppose 950 1h's are similar to 1250's in price, and this doesn't even take into consideration the cost of a high damage offhand.  I'll accept that 2h's are much more price-efficient at increasing dps, as long as you have enough IAS to maintain decent kiting


YES! Basically what I'm trying to say.

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May 31 2012 05:19pm
Quote (Perverse @ May 31 2012 06:11pm)
You have to spend some time looking for one but there are a bunch of good orbs for very cheap



Mines ok for a temp, it's a rare with 200 with like 113 int socketed, life regen, some other mods. It just seems like the high damage Lichs go for a lot. I'll keep looking I guess.

I'm in one of those dilemmas where act 1 is a breeze, act 2 is way too hard. I'm to that point where I'm looking for items but the stuff I need just seems way to expensive unless I find an :wacko:
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May 31 2012 05:19pm
Quote (PerfectLuck @ May 31 2012 06:15pm)
Welp my bad, thought there was a disagreement.

Well from what I've seen from the auction house, 2h seems to be the most cost efficient DPS increaser, albeit at the cost of attack speed.


I found an 811 dps wand that did 17 or 18% base attack speed increase so it's up to 1.72 attack speed, and added with the orb, that's 1030ish dps not including the int or vit i get from orb
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May 31 2012 05:25pm
Quote (Wolf420 @ May 31 2012 04:19pm)
I found an 811 dps wand that did 17 or 18% base attack speed increase so it's up to 1.72 attack speed, and added with the orb, that's 1030ish dps not including the int or vit i get from orb


How much was the orb + wand?
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May 31 2012 05:28pm
Quote (PerfectLuck @ May 31 2012 06:25pm)
How much was the orb + wand?


1,450,000

sorry had it wrong the first time

This post was edited by Wolf420 on May 31 2012 05:31pm
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May 31 2012 05:34pm
what about lighning hydra and that 8% stun chance passive? (orb+hydra ofc)

tried it any works fine aswell

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May 31 2012 06:04pm
Quote (Newb1 @ May 31 2012 06:34pm)
what about lighning hydra and that 8% stun chance passive? (orb+hydra ofc)

tried it any works fine aswell


Have you noticed how rarely your hydra actually stuns elite mobs? I would rather have the more damage-oriented venom hydra--but lightning is an alternative, I suppose.
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