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Jun 26 2018 02:48pm
Quote (djman72 @ Jun 26 2018 04:48pm)
Stop peddling this bullshit. Trading doesn't exist in any significant capacity.


That isn't correct dj. It does exist.
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Jun 26 2018 03:18pm
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That isn't correct dj. It does exist.


not in any signifigany capacity.

Diablo 3 is a single player game that is forced online. No economy - not an arpg. Not a true diablo game in so many aspects.

It's shitty and you know it.

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Quote (djman72 @ Jun 26 2018 05:18pm)
not in any signifigany capacity.

Diablo 3 is a single player game that is forced online. No economy - not an arpg. Not a true diablo game in so many aspects.

It's shitty and you know it.


My knowledge of it is different because that's how I feel. I find joy in it, so no, I don't know of it being shitty. Btw, it has trading.
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My knowledge of it is different because that's how I feel. I find joy in it, so no, I don't know of it being shitty. Btw, it has trading.


TIL knowledge is based on feelings
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Jun 26 2018 03:30pm
Post #30, any response to that DURRR?

I am not trying to be argumentative just conversing with you ;)
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Jun 26 2018 04:06pm
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Post #30, any response to that DURRR?

I am not trying to be argumentative just conversing with you ;)


It was overlooked after responding to DJ. This is why i don't mind talking to you, you and I actually have a discussion on our point of view for the game.

Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jun 26 2018 04:48pm)
It's done so different that it made it so the game doesn't have an economy. Which is a huge aspect of aRPGs and the Diablo series. It also has a pretty large fun factor to it. All of that is stripped away from the player.

For example, finding an item that's worth a lot, but it's not a gear piece. You could sell it for something else, then buy that upgrade for your character. Path of Exile does this very well (1 example: Chaos Orbs). All about character customization and the feeling of building up "wealth". That's very important in the aRPG genre and a core value Brevik and Shaefer have talked about. It's not there in D3.


The heart of aRPG's and what makes them special is the economy aspect and the way of building up wealth. That's why I can see why this game didn't bring more happy customers, but instead left many disappoingted. I can see their perspective and why that expectations left them the way it did. I've taken games like this both directions, the direction of economy and building that wealth and using it amongst others to benefit both parties for gain. I've also found the enjoyment in doing everything on my own. I appreciate it more for example finding the rarest of items during solo play rather than more quickly getting it through trading from wealth. It's more rewarding. I did it with D2, Runescape, and other games with those advantages. That's why I enjoy D3, it has that solo expectancy about it. While the parties and trade exchanges are there to be done in your groups, it why I used the phrase D3 is an aquired taste and feel it would of been better if it was its own game and not by the Diablo franchise.

Because I can agree that when you set an example like you do in Diablo 1 & 2 you can't flip the switch like that and expect your fan and customer field to be a bigger success. They tried something very different and it didn't turn out well for everyone.

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Jun 26 2018 04:19pm
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It was overlooked after responding to DJ. This is why i don't mind talking to you, you and I actually have a discussion on our point of view for the game.


Yeah, some people think I'm a troll but honestly, if the person I'm engaging with has good intentions and doesn't personally insult me, I will debate/converse with them all day. Regardless of their beliefs (kinda like what I'm doing w/ you). So I appreciate it as well =]



Quote (D_urRRR @ Jun 26 2018 02:06pm)
The heart of aRPG's and what makes them special is the economy aspect and the way of building up wealth. That's why I can see why this game didn't bring more happy customers, but instead left many disappoingted. I can see their perspective and why that expectations left them the way it did. I've taken games like this both directions, the direction of economy and building that wealth and using it amongst others to benefit both parties for gain. I've also found the enjoyment in doing everything on my own. I appreciate it more for example finding the rarest of items during solo play rather than more quickly getting it through trading from wealth. It's more rewarding. I did it with D2, Runescape, and other games with those advantages. That's why I enjoy D3, it has that solo expectancy about it. While the parties and trade exchanges are there to be done in your groups, it why I used the phrase D3 is an aquired taste and feel it would of been better if it was its own game and not by the Diablo franchise.

Because I can agree that when you set an example like you do in Diablo 1 & 2 you can't flip the switch like that and expect your fan and customer field to be a bigger success. They tried something very different and it didn't turn out well for everyone.


I don't disagree really, but just want to add, you can have that "found this enjoyment in doing everything on my own" part, even with a game with "diablo's 2 trading" and an economy. For example, Path of Exile has a solo self found mode that's catered just for players like that. However, I know Diablo 2 didn't have that but you could basically still play solo / private games with a password. And then zone everyone out and don't participate in trading + economy.

Yeah, it definitely can feel more rewarding. However, it's also just as rewarding when you find an item you can sell, to get another item you want! It goes both ways! I respect both playstyles too. However, just don't understand the reasoning why D3 wouldn't have it. The problem really stems because I think a lot, and I mean A LOT of players liked the economy and were pissed off.

I mean, that's just the economy part. We havn't even discussed the PvP stuff. I know it's boring to prob talk to me about this stuff, but I just want you to know D3 can be so much better.

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Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jun 26 2018 06:19pm)
Yeah, some people think I'm a troll but honestly, if the person I'm engaging with has good intentions and doesn't personally insult me, I will debate/converse with them all day. Regardless of their beliefs (kinda like what I'm doing w/ you). So I appreciate it as well =]





I don't disagree really, but just want to add, you can have that "found this enjoyment in doing everything on my own" part, even with a game with "diablo's 2 trading" and an economy. For example, Path of Exile has a solo self found mode that's catered just for players like that. However, I know Diablo 2 didn't have that but you could basically still play solo / private games with a password. And then zone everyone out and don't participate in trading + economy.

Yeah, it definitely can feel more rewarding. However, it's also just as rewarding when you find an item you can sell, to get another item you want! It goes both ways! I respect both playstyles too. However, just don't understand the reasoning why D3 wouldn't have it. The problem really stems because I think a lot, and I mean A LOT of players liked the economy and were pissed off.

I mean, that's just the economy part. We havn't even discussed the PvP stuff. I know it's boring to prob talk to me about this stuff, but I just want you to know D3 can be so much better.


I don't disagree that Diablo 3 could have been better. We all can agree on that. When it comes to PvP, D3 doesn't shine on that. It's basically whoever hits first will win. It doesn't have any form of balance.
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Jun 26 2018 04:39pm
Quote (D_urRRR @ Jun 26 2018 02:33pm)
I don't disagree that Diablo 3 could have been better. We all can agree on that. When it comes to PvP, D3 doesn't shine on that. It's basically whoever hits first will win. It doesn't have any form of balance.


Yah. And I commend you for sticking to your guns. You seem like a very understanding person and just really enjoy Diablo 3. I can't fault you for that and I'm sorry if my previous posts on this forum were intended to instill guilt in you. Not my intentions at all, just trying to basically tell you the game could be much better (and I guess you agree with that)

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Jun 26 2018 06:15pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Jun 26 2018 06:39pm)
Yah. And I commend you for sticking to your guns. You seem like a very understanding person and just really enjoy Diablo 3. I can't fault you for that and I'm sorry if my previous posts on this forum were intended to instill guilt in you. Not my intentions at all, just trying to basically tell you the game could be much better (and I guess you agree with that)


No offense was ever taken. Thank you John and my apologies as well if I ever came off wrong.
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