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#31
Nov 18 2012 10:35pm
Bump for awareness. ISO skorn barb to extend on this testing.
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Nov 18 2012 11:05pm
echoing fury
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#33
Nov 20 2012 09:18pm
you should also do the tests again with the other off hand.

According to your test, WW does about 30% of the overall damage. But how much damage are you actually losing going from 1k dps off hand to 700 dps off hand? About 10% less overall damage output? Or even less I would assume.

The conclusion should be to lean towards the lower damage off hand IF it gives much better stats. Of course a 200 dmg vs 1k dps off hand would be considered a large difference.

If I had to choose between a 500 dps dagger off hand vs a 1k dps mace off hand, I may still choose the 500 dps dagger. (Need some actually runs to test how long each would take)
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Nov 21 2012 07:26pm
Quote (feng399 @ 21 Nov 2012 11:18)
you should also do the tests again with the other off hand.

According to your test, WW does about 30% of the overall damage. But how much damage are you actually losing going from 1k dps off hand to 700 dps off hand? About 10% less overall damage output? Or even less I would assume.

The conclusion should be to lean towards the lower damage off hand IF it gives much better stats. Of course a 200 dmg vs 1k dps off hand would be considered a large difference.

If I had to choose between a 500 dps dagger off hand vs a 1k dps mace off hand, I may still choose the 500 dps dagger. (Need some actually runs to test how long each would take)


Ty for the valuable input. How much dps one will lose goin from offhand B to A depends on the current specs of the barb. For instance, if one were to improve an ias breakpoint when using dagger, ofc offhand a is still better despite the lower dps. The extra stats n cd are important too.

Would definitely like to do a test on offhand b, but I don't have it. If someone doesn't mind sponsoring some controversial offhand I will be more than willing to test out.
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Nov 21 2012 09:20pm
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Nov 22 2012 03:31am
Quote (xFirewalkerx @ 22 Nov 2012 11:20)
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Would be great if people can perform similar test with controversial offhand to add value to this test. If can't perform it, feel free to allow me to perform the test.

Offhand like B would be a great testing specimen. Currently need a high damage echoing fury to perform test too. Sponsors would be greatly welcome!
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#37
Nov 22 2012 04:12am
sticky lol
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#38
Nov 22 2012 06:16am
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Nov 18 2012 03:38pm)
(I dont understand, you are already using bloodthirst anyway?)
Armor is an integer, so it seems like a huge lot, but what counts is the final % dr achieved from it. The change is usually negligible. Whereas an extra 3% leech at 2xx + dps is invaluable. imo

So good luck with all you do, anyway ^^





crappy theorycraft from you as always because

1.5*1.11/1.4 = 19%more offweapon speed
= +/- 9.5%more ticks on nado (depending on bvreakpoints)

its not as simple as that because only breakpoints count

1.66 x 1.67 = 2.772 aps = 6.67 tps
1.3 x 1.67 = 2.171 aps = 8.57 tps

He is still where he was with no ias dagger + axe

So you are wrong and your info is false, higher dps offhand echo vs ias dagger with lower dps will make a huge difference, definitely not the same result!

And also *JUST* in case you didnt notice what i posted before

if he gets the echo he wanted both his dps and average tickrate will go up over dagger + axe

also the dps portion of the offhand counts because of the raw damage contribution. not the actual dps with attack speed included, unless as i stated you are compromising your tickrate.

your point is moot


stop flame, and use brain better!

posters barb
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jayleo-6312/hero/19872277

tick rate for nado
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497?page=1

current speed=
27ias gear
25ias skills
1.5aps offhand
1.3aps mainhand

1.5*1.52=2.28aps=23ticks per twister
1.3*1.52=1.976aps=18ticks per twister
avarage 20.5 ticks per twister

if add 11 ias on dagger
1.5*1.11*1.52=2.53aps=26ticks per twister
avarage 22 ticks per twister
(22/20.5-1)*100%=7.31%more avarage twisters

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100%current damage-30%ww damage * 1.095 more ticks on nado+24%new ww damage = 100.65%dps
almost the same, but you get more fury, more wotb upkeep

100%-30%*1.0731+24%=99.12% of current effective dps, if take 11%ias dagger whit 50% of current offhand dps
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#39
Nov 22 2012 07:30am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Nov 22 2012 02:16pm)
stop flame, and use brain better!

posters barb
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jayleo-6312/hero/19872277

tick rate for nado
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497?page=1

current speed=
27ias gear
25ias skills
1.5aps offhand
1.3aps mainhand

1.5*1.52=2.28aps=23ticks per twister
1.3*1.52=1.976aps=18ticks per twister
avarage 20.5 ticks per twister

if add 11 ias on dagger
1.5*1.11*1.52=2.53aps=26ticks per twister
avarage 22 ticks per twister
(22/20.5-1)*100%=7.31%more avarage twisters


100%-30%*1.0731+24%=99.12% of current effective dps, if take 11%ias dagger whit 50% of current offhand dps


WTF is that 52 ias, its 15+25 = 40, you forgot dual wield basics now, noob :bonk:

27 ias + 25 wotb + 15 dual wield = 67 ias

1.3 x 1.67 = 2.17 aps = 6.67 tps
1.5 x 1.67 = 2.51 aps = 8.57 tps
1.66 x 1.67 = 2.772 aps = 8.57 tps --> According to you ias dagger will reach new breakpoint, it wont

Now axe and echo

1.55 x 1.67 = 2.58 aps = 8.57 tps
1.45 x 1.67 = 2.42 aps = 7.5 tps

Average tickrate AND offhand raw dmg both went up, echo >>>>> ias dagger with low dps, not to mention echo increases mainhand dps for use with hota / bash / frenzy etc

Quote (Tommyvv @ Nov 22 2012 02:16pm)
stop flame, and use brain better!


This from someone who forgot dual wield basics in his calculations, how ironic lmfao :rofl:

You embarass yourself every time tommy looool

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Nov 22 2012 07:43am
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#40
Nov 22 2012 08:20am
Quote (ChingeR @ 22 Nov 2012 18:12)
sticky lol


:blush: Ty!!


@tommy n Mark
would have to agree with mark. His calculations are accurate.

@public
Still iso sponsors with controversial offhand for me to add value to this test.
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