Quote (GetFrozty @ 3 Sep 2012 23:07)
Lol @ most of the posts ITT not being high-end at all >.>
Current top 10 are mostly using Tal Rasha's. Mainly because of the high INT roll. Unless you have APOC, Mempo ASI may be overkill. Which is why (I think) the top 10 go for 300 int over 170~ & the ASI/CC from Mempo.
For pants, 6+ > Depth IMO. There was a pair on AH [US] I've seen with 150+ INT, 295+ VIT, 77 AR, + armor, and 2xOS. Can Depths even roll something that well with only 4 rolls? (base AR, base primary, & 2 rolls)
Some of them also go Inna's pants for DPS / movespeed. I still think Lacunis & 6+ is better than 6+ & Inna's, however. Or, maybe, they combine Inna's & Lacuni's + Ice Climbers for MMS.
With regard to weapon, I believe 6+ wand atm is best, since Chantodo's weap is bugged.
Not sure what there is to lol about, as I said they are my opinions with reasons behind why I chose them.
In any case they are the best gear in each slot for this build not for all wiz.
I will reply to some of your points though.
Firstly I do often look at the top wizards, not just top 10 but also up to top 50, for dps ranking and overall hero ranking.
In the top 10, 4 people use Tal Rasha's. That's not mostly using Tal Rasha's. I've made 2 points before but for you and other readers I'll make it again.
1) The game is still very new, 3 months into a game is hard for any person to get best gear in each slot already. Also many contenders for best gear are new, about 2 weeks old. Can't really expected GFG rolls already.
2) I've made this point about Triumvirate and Chantodo's. At MAX possible rolls they are about the same, and triumvirate will be slightly better if all other gear are close to perfect as well.
However Triumvirate is easier to be better than chantodo's. Triumvirate's main source of competitive advantage against all other sources (chantodo, oculus, tal etc) is that it's got +18% elemental damage. This damage's min roll is 15%. So to get a Max roll is very easy.
Chantodo's on the other hand the high raw damage roll is very important, and to get a MAX raw damage it's very hard.
With that being said it's very easy to see that Tal Rasha's is like triumvirate and is easier to roll near it's max damage potential.
it's base crit is 5-6%, one out of it's 2 int spawns is 170-200, socket is a base roll.
All it needs for a 200+ int is 1 stacked int roll.
On the other hand Mempo may not even spawn with int at all, if it does roll it could be very very low. Mempo also doesn't roll base crit. So for a Mempo to be better it must roll int and must roll crit, and they must both roll high. Tal Rasha's is much more likely to have a "high" roll.
Quote (GetFrozty @ 3 Sep 2012 23:07)
Unless you have APOC, Mempo ASI may be overkill.
ASI being an overkill unless you have APOC is totally irrelevent, this build is in archon form the vast majority of the time. ASI raises the on screen damage which is normalised into ticking a higher damage even though archon beam itself can't "attack" any faster.
Last but not least, maybe blizz will fix the fact that one of the Mempo's rolls doesn't exist at all. The 170-200 primary roll for either dex/int/str doesn't exist at the moment. Even if it does it's still a 1 in 3, tal rasha's got 170-200 int only.
Quote (GetFrozty @ 3 Sep 2012 23:07)
Which is why (I think) the top 10 go for 300 int over 170~ & the ASI/CC from Mempo.
If you just look at rank 2 dps in the world there, his gloves are not trifecta, no ias, and have dex, light res. None of his 2 rings or amulet have raw damage either. Instead they have random dex, phy res etc.
Same with rank 1 dps, it's much better but still have random rolls on his main dps stats gear. Zuni Pox is amazing for now but instead of rolling raw damage it has light res, other ring has random str.
All of them have varied gear, whatever they happened to being able to buy. Give it myabe 1-2 years then the top guys will start to have more similar gear.
Quote (GetFrozty @ 3 Sep 2012 23:07)
For pants, 6+ > Depth IMO. There was a pair on AH [US] I've seen with 150+ INT, 295+ VIT, 77 AR, + armor, and 2xOS. Can Depths even roll something that well with only 4 rolls? (base AR, base primary, & 2 rolls)
Some of them also go Inna's pants for DPS / movespeed. I still think Lacunis & 6+ is better than 6+ & Inna's, however. Or, maybe, they combine Inna's & Lacuni's + Ice Climbers for MMS.
Jsp doesn't allow editing post after a short time (I think 30mins).
It clearly says all along that #1 is rare with 6 listed rolls. We're saying the same thing, not sure what your point is. Maybe you thought because depth came first on the list it was the BiS, the BiS normally appear towards the end on my lists.
Inna's is a good point. I did forget to put inna's pants in there for DPS/MS. Inna's have 1% crit, 9%IAS, 12%MS.
MS is not really needed since this build would have used zuni boots + lacuni which both give 12% MS, So we are already 24/25 on MS cap.
Inna's got only 1 random roll. so basically it's 1% crit + 9% IAS + 100 int (100 max since not stacked) vs 200 int, 300, vita, 80res.
dex and ms that are inna's base rolls are basically pointless.
Quote (GetFrozty @ 3 Sep 2012 23:07)
With regard to weapon, I believe 6+ wand atm is best, since Chantodo's weap is bugged.
It would be alot more helpful to a theorycrafting topic to state your reasons. such as what you did with pants.
In any case I disagree with using a wand being the best for this build.
6 prop wand will always waste a roll on Max Arcane Power.
I looked up wand with base crit, socket, life steal, int. The highest dps wand on all of EU is less than 850 dps...
That's because to get high dps you MUST have at least 2 damage rolls, as in + dmg and + % dmg. (can have ias as well but that cut into other rolls).
With 2 rolls gone, we still need 4 - base crit, socket, life steal, int.
That Max AP screws it all up.
i searching without in, just life steal, socket, base crit. Apart from 1 over 1k dps wand, the second highest wand in EU is 870 dps.
wands are not good if you want a good utility weapon. If you go for no life steal and straight +dmg, +%dmg, ias, base crit, socket, int sure it can still be good. Good but not really better than swords.