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Nov 21 2012 04:04pm
Quote (Nill95 @ Nov 21 2012 03:55pm)
Any feedback on my items and build?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mothcity-2947/hero/293950

I would use Perfectionist nornally, but right now im just rushing through mp0/1.
Inna's would be my next targetted item, but would you suggest me to just buy something or wait till i have alot of Gs? Only on 5m atm btw..

Pls no "U need mempo with 6cc, witching hour 160/9/50", be realistic for my low budget :P


Belt can use an upgrade also not sure why your not using Archery (50% damage booster)
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Nov 21 2012 04:09pm
Quote (Shamx @ Nov 21 2012 11:04pm)
Belt can use an upgrade also not sure why your not using Archery (50% damage booster)


Movement speed mang, faster exp, faster loots.
This was my thoughts untill just now when i read "whenever you're full on hatred" fml. Well ty.

Would you suggest innas? and maybe going for the set bonus from pants aswell?
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Nov 21 2012 04:17pm
Quote (Shamx @ 21 Nov 2012 23:02)
isnt that what we're aiming for?  To get that ideal BiS item?  If not then we're not playing the same game :(

All top DHs are using crit lacunis with innas @_@, I guess the combination of both makes it better than our own ideas?  o.O

Also I just don't see a rare bracer comparing with a well-stat lacunis (not just for crit, but the other rand rools rolling into something useful), link me a well stated rare bracer I want to see your side of the argument here cuase I feel like I am missing something here.

As for the pants the dex/vit/AR just seems to get you more of everything than just an innas with Dex/vit/AR and that 1%, even with a belt combo, a good witching hour will out do the belt and the 130dex output from set bonus.

But then again I still feel like I really am missing something.  Link me some gears and lets compare some stuff.


Yeah I agree with you, just that if he doesn't want to use both then I think he's not aiming for BiS. :p I just think on a mid-budget level out of the two items inna's pants is a better choice for 24 ms. >.> What sort of level are you talking about?

I think a pair of bracers with 6 crit, 80+ vit, 70+ ar, armor/mf and pickup is more useful than non-crit lacuni's if you hit 24 ms already, but yeah I agree that with 12 ms lacuni is king regardless of crit.
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Nov 21 2012 09:41pm
I have ~175m getting bored of WD, think I could make a decent to good DH for this amount? If so, what numbers you think I could/should be able to pull off?
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Nov 21 2012 10:30pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 21 2012 12:17pm)
Yeah I agree with you, just that if he doesn't want to use both then I think he's not aiming for BiS. :p I just think on a mid-budget level out of the two items inna's pants is a better choice for 24 ms. >.> What sort of level are you talking about?

I think a pair of bracers with 6 crit, 80+ vit, 70+ ar, armor/mf and pickup is more useful than non-crit lacuni's if you hit 24 ms already, but yeah I agree that with 12 ms lacuni is king regardless of crit.


Inna's belt can out dps WH it depends highly on the weapon you are using as it applies its 8% better to black damage weapons not manticores. Lacuni's is the highest DPS bracer you can get, but as an overall even a perfect 100 dex 100vit 80res 6crit roll won't be as good as 200 dex 200vit 80res 6crit 300+armor rolled rare bracer in overall EHP/DPS effectiveness. This is assuming perfect rolls, so are subjective to availability and how many billions you got to buy gear. Keep in mind ALL gearing is based off of your weapon used, you can easily swap ASI for AVG Damage if you use a 1-H and still hit high APS.

BiS stuff doesn't actually mean best in game play, you NEED the ability to gloom and vault to be efficient, and you will lose EHP/DPS for it no matter what you gear with. You also NEED a decent life pool and EHP so that you can survive your own damage vs a reflect mob before the heal tick happens from gloom/lifesteal. Things that aren't shown on paper matter a lot in actual game play.
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Nov 22 2012 12:55am
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Nov 22 2012 02:50am
Quote (Tails chao @ Nov 21 2012 10:56am)
Use cloak+boots, then get rings with more cc on them (you will most likely gain more dps from using rings with 5~ crit even if they don't have dex). Ideally you want to use a cloak anyway, +max disc is important without legacy nats. Inna's Chest is pretty bad on a DH.

If you want to keep the Inna's 2 piece bonus you can pick up a cheap inna's belt, you don't really lose much from your old belt apart from the MF, and imo it's important to have a solid set-up with decent EHP/DPS so you can run consistently and efficiently before getting extra stuff like MF.

If you want to check dps/ehp upgrades, use this site: d3up.com


I think i might be dense on this...when i look at nats set the only +to disc seems to come from having all the set...how does it help me to have the two pieces except for +7 cc? When i compare the innas chest to nats they seem very similar...
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Nov 22 2012 06:12am
Quote (RabidDonkey @ Nov 22 2012 08:50am)
I think i might be dense on this...when i look at nats set the only +to disc seems to come from having all the set...how does it help me to have the two pieces except for +7 cc? When i compare the innas chest to nats they seem very similar...


On all DH-only cloaks there is the chance to roll with +max discipline. Just search AH for Nats chest with +max disc.
Besides ---> 7% crit is a huge benefit for DHs that usually play with 5xx+% critdamage.
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Nov 22 2012 11:14am
Quote (D4rk50ul @ 22 Nov 2012 05:30)
Inna's belt can out dps WH it depends highly on the weapon you are using as it applies its 8% better to black damage weapons not manticores.  Lacuni's is the highest DPS bracer you can get, but as an overall even a perfect 100 dex 100vit 80res 6crit roll won't be as good as 200 dex 200vit 80res 6crit 300+armor rolled rare bracer in overall EHP/DPS effectiveness.  This is assuming perfect rolls, so are subjective to availability and how many billions you got to buy gear.  Keep in mind ALL gearing is based off of your weapon used, you can easily swap ASI for AVG Damage if you use a 1-H and still hit high APS.

BiS stuff doesn't actually mean best in game play, you NEED the ability to gloom and vault to be efficient, and you will lose EHP/DPS for it no matter what you gear with.  You also NEED a decent life pool and EHP so that you can survive your own damage vs a reflect mob before the heal tick happens from gloom/lifesteal.  Things that aren't shown on paper matter a lot in actual game play.


I run a legacy build with decent ehp, so I would agree with you that there are many utility mods that help more than char sheet upgrades.

Also, would you really take a perfect rare over a perfect lacuni roll? I guess I am biased as a manticore-user (as you say, weapon choice influences build), but I would think that at an optimal level your ehp should be overkill. Lack of pick-up radius would sway my choice, however.

I'm confused about the belt comment, what are you referring to?

@rabiddonkey: all cloaks can roll max disc. Inna's chest can't.
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