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Apr 7 2013 01:21pm
@simba: I'd have to agree with not using the blue bubble crutch - teleport wormhole and yellow bubble are much better choices for solo/group. Also, you have 88.41% mit and 46k+hp, so I agree that you do not need/want mass-vit bt pants for the paper ehp gain and worse hp:ehp ratio. That level of mitigation/hp and dps is certainly enough to farm, if not utter-crush mp10 as I'm sure you well know already... :P

The lacs can be upg for sure or also just find a better ring with hopefully same current stats but avg damage (more dps), loh (if you think you want it), allres (if you want even more mit) [or with all of the above ofc...]. To open up your gearing options for the ring and any other slots (in case there is a godly ring but at lower aps), you could also upg the weap to more than 1.63aps (i.e. 1.65) but it's a darn good weap already and no need to change it if you can find a ring upg without dropping bp.

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Apr 7 2013 01:53pm
@Elijah thanks for your point of view as well man, going to focus on Lacunis and keep crafting amulets! :)
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Apr 7 2013 02:01pm
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@Elijah thanks for your point of view as well man, going to focus on Lacunis and keep crafting amulets! :)


don't fallen maniacs one shot you?

Here is a spec for meteor sns build: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500
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Apr 7 2013 02:41pm
At that mitigation/hp/ehp level, nah. Also, at that dps level the maniacs die before they explode anyway and that's what UA is for just in case.

In regards to mitigation a similar discussion is going on in US forums too b/c many many ppl don't get mitigation, ehp, and hp:ehp (there's a lot of figures, graphs and hard numbers towards the final pages):
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8568957466
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At that mitigation/hp/ehp level, nah. Also, at that dps level the maniacs die before they explode anyway and that's what UA is for just in case.

In regards to mitigation a similar discussion is going on in US forums too b/c many many ppl don't get mitigation, ehp, and hp:ehp (there's a lot of figures, graphs and hard numbers towards the final pages):
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8568957466


I got higher mitigation and I think mp10 maniac will one shot me with diamond skin on.
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Apr 7 2013 05:43pm
Actually drake22 is 88.49 and you're at 88.01 so you have just slightly lower mit. Welp there's a vid of a guy with decent mit 88.96 and ~50k hp surviving a fallen maniac hit:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8569307932

I mean I agree it's a close call for all of us- but I wouldn't be worried for drake22 in regards to fallen maniacs. Bc he should kill them before they explode anyways, or utilize his free slot (teleport I think he said) to avoid that situation entirely. I mean .... do you worry about gearing so you don't die to a mp10 maniac hit? Obviously not since you think one of those will one-shot you with diamond skin on...it just doesn't occur enough in practice to matter.

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Quote (ElijahBailey @ Apr 8 2013 03:43am)
Actually drake22 is 88.49 and you're at 88.01 so you have just slightly lower mit. Welp there's a vid of a guy with decent mit 88.96 and ~50k hp surviving a fallen maniac hit:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8569307932

I mean I agree it's a close call for all of us- but I wouldn't be worried for drake22 in regards to fallen maniacs. Bc he should kill them before they explode anyways, or utilize his free slot (teleport I think he said) to avoid that situation entirely. I mean .... do you worry about gearing so you don't die to a mp10 maniac hit? Obviously not since you think one of those will one-shot you with diamond skin on...it just doesn't occur enough in practice to matter.


nice input, man, thanks. However, there are few types of burst damages I am worried about besides maniacs: molten explosions, Mallet Lords, Uber Leoric. So what in your opinion is an optimal health pool with mitigation like we have?
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Apr 7 2013 10:37pm
I think around 45k health, with say, 88%+ mit and a better than 1:8 hp:ehp ratio (I have fairly relaxed standards b/c I understand we would all like to pursue dps as well), it should be good to go. At the end of the day, there will be some cases that nobody in the world can tank even if you stacked hp or even if you stacked to 92% mitigation, you can still die. Rather than worrying about corner cases (here's a dozen pages of a few guys obsessed with boosting mitigation to basically not even die: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8569386969?page=1), I think we can just move the mouse a tiny bit and sidestep stacked molten, plagued, arcane turrets, etc. (I honestly don't worry about molten explosions, mallet lords, uber leorics - any of these in of itself should be no problem, it's when 3 molten explosions go off together, or leoric walks, swings and magda hits you with some flies at the same time that you could die, c'est la vie eh?). For all of these cases there's really one good answer - UA. That about takes care of it ^^
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Apr 8 2013 04:48am
As far as I know you need about 425k ehp to survive 1 molten bomb, and about 550k for 1 maniac. But yea in practice they never get a chance to explode, apart from rare times when they hide behind a closed door and you don't see them.
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I think around 45k health, with say, 88%+ mit and a better than 1:8 hp:ehp ratio  (I have fairly relaxed standards b/c I understand we would all like to pursue dps as well), it should be good to go. At the end of the day, there will be some cases that nobody in the world can tank even if you stacked hp or even if you stacked to 92% mitigation, you can still die. Rather than worrying about corner cases (here's a dozen pages of a few guys obsessed with boosting mitigation to basically not even die: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/8569386969?page=1), I think we can just move the mouse a tiny bit and sidestep stacked molten, plagued, arcane turrets, etc. (I honestly don't worry about molten explosions, mallet lords, uber leorics - any of these in of itself should be no problem, it's when 3 molten explosions go off together, or leoric walks, swings and magda hits you with some flies at the same time that you could die, c'est la vie eh?). For all of these cases there's really one good answer - UA. That about takes care of it ^^


wow, nice wizies there, but I dislike that all of them stick to Mempo however.
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