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May 26 2013 02:13am
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ May 26 2013 12:20am)
but after thinking more, it's prolly does not make any difference, cause yeah you get more tornados, but they deal less damage.


Well it'd depend on the wep ur replacing it with...

Ur current wep is 523 - 1099 damage at 1.2 per second...
811 average wep damage

With a new wep... Using mine as an example

It would be at 459 - 1020 damage at 1.4 per second...
739.5 average wep damage

So 1 of your tornado's is more.

BUT

With your current speed ( 1.94 aps ) and current crit ( 52.5% )

Over a period of let's say 20 seconds you would hypothetically crit 20 times vs 1 monster ( 38.8 attacks, 52.5% crit chance)

With the 0.2 attack speed boost multiplied by it current % speed it would add 0.27 attacks per second, correct?

So 1.94 + 0.27 = 2.21 attacks per second

Over a period of 20 seconds you now attack 44 times

Multiplied by 52.5% crit chance = 23 crits vs 1 monster



Sooooo, 811 average x 20 = 16,220
Aaaand, 739.5 average x 23 = 17,008
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May 26 2013 02:16am
+1.4aps rare weapon + wkl

Or +1.2aps rare weapon + ef

These are the best combo.

If no ef, always +1.4aps.
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May 26 2013 02:29am
Quote (Shawnyboy @ 26 May 2013 11:13)
Well it'd depend on the wep ur replacing it with...

Ur current wep is 523 - 1099 damage at 1.2 per second...
811 average wep damage

With a new wep... Using mine as an example

It would be at 459 - 1020 damage at 1.4 per second...
739.5 average wep damage

So 1 of your tornado's is more.

BUT

With your current speed ( 1.94 aps ) and current crit ( 52.5% )

Over a period of let's say 20 seconds you would hypothetically crit 20 times vs 1 monster ( 38.8 attacks, 52.5% crit chance)

With the 0.2 attack speed boost multiplied by it current % speed it would add 0.27 attacks per second, correct?

So 1.94 + 0.27 = 2.21 attacks per second

Over a period of 20 seconds you now attack 44 times

Multiplied by 52.5% crit chance = 23 crits vs 1 monster



Sooooo, 811 average x 20 = 16,220
Aaaand, 739.5 average x 23 = 17,008


why do you compare weapons with different DPS in the first place?

Mine:
(523+1100)/2*1.2 = 973 DPS

Your:
(459+1020)/2*1.4 = 1035 DPS

for the sake of comparison you should lower your avg damage so it will be equal to mine DPS, or else it does not prove anything :)

This post was edited by Sladeinflame7 on May 26 2013 02:30am
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May 26 2013 02:38am
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ May 26 2013 01:29am)
why do you compare weapons with different DPS in the first place?

Mine:
(523+1100)/2*1.2 = 973 DPS

Your:
(459+1020)/2*1.4 = 1035 DPS

for the sake of comparison you should lower your avg damage so it will be equal to mine DPS, or else it does not prove anything :)


This had been tested for couple months using all kinds of different weapon set up comparing the kill time on bosses.

And slow aps is worst enemy for monks to begin with regardless of the edps difference.

Spirit management
Faster animation on FoT

Also for builds using nirvana mech, you need as high aps as possible to dump the infinite spirit.

Hope this helps.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on May 26 2013 02:39am
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May 26 2013 02:39am
Quote (jinshin85 @ May 26 2013 08:16am)
+1.4aps rare weapon + wkl

Or +1.2aps rare weapon + ef

These are the best combo.

If no ef, always +1.4aps.

Jin, I've decided recently to make a monk and I picked up a dagger my.. 1.5
No good?

This post was edited by CruiseR88 on May 26 2013 02:40am
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Quote (CruiseR88 @ May 26 2013 01:39am)
Jim, I've decided recently to make a monk and I picked up a dagger my.. 1.5
No good?


Sword
Fist
Dagger

Are the best for monks.
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May 26 2013 02:41am
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ May 26 2013 01:29am)
why do you compare weapons with different DPS in the first place?

Mine:
(523+1100)/2*1.2 = 973 DPS

Your:
(459+1020)/2*1.4 = 1035 DPS

for the sake of comparison you should lower your avg damage so it will be equal to mine DPS, or else it does not prove anything :)


Damage of sweeping wind nado is based on wepon DAMAGE, not weapon damage per second
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May 26 2013 02:50am
Quote (jinshin85 @ 26 May 2013 11:38)
This had been tested for couple months using all kinds of different weapon set up comparing the kill time on bosses.

And slow aps is worst enemy for monks to begin with regardless of the edps difference.

Spirit management
Faster animation on FoT

Also for builds using nirvana mech, you need as high aps as possible to dump the infinite spirit.

Hope this helps.


yeah... for some reason when i read your guides are noticed you often mention slow weapons, but apparently they are only used with EF. And i made a mistake by getting slow weapon haha :P

Quote (Shawnyboy @ 26 May 2013 11:41)
Damage of sweeping wind nado is based on wepon DAMAGE, not weapon damage per second


I completely understand this, what i meant is that your weapon got more DPS which means it's more expensive. For example i can get 1035 DPS spear (1.2 APS) for your weapon's price and then we can compare, or else it's not really fair comparison from what i understand.
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May 26 2013 02:54am
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ May 26 2013 01:50am)
yeah... for some reason when i read your guides are noticed you often mention slow weapons, but apparently they are only used with EF. And i made a mistake  by getting slow weapon haha :P



I completely understand this, what i meant is that your weapon got more DPS which means it's more expensive. For example i can get 1035 DPS spear (1.2 APS) for your weapon's price and then we can compare, or else it's not really fair comparison from what i understand.


The EF +aps scales better with slow weapons.

If you have a slow weapon, it's great idea to pair it with EF of just sell that and get faster one with wkl.

Good luck.
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May 26 2013 02:56am
Quote (jinshin85 @ May 26 2013 08:40am)
Sword
Fist
Dagger

Are the best for monks.

I felt it was a good deal so bought it.

1040 dps
156 dex
2.4 ls
55%CD
free socket

40m
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