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Feb 27 2013 03:26am
I can farm mp2 with no drama's at all but anything higher and I start taking very big hits, I'm unsure of what I should upgrade next to increase my survivability
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Poss-1112/hero/30630929

I think my biggest issue may be my all res, which I can get by upgrading my bt pants for all res / high vit roll and all res on my lacuni's
Next I would work on buying a zuni pox and upgrading one of my other rings with ias
Finally I would upgrade my tals chest for a high vit roll

Would these upgrades make me capable of farming mp5 efficiently as archon? and is that the order I should upgrade in?
Thanks in advance for any help / info you can recommend to me
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Feb 27 2013 06:20am
Quote (Poniat @ Feb 27 2013 09:56am)
Hi guys,
Could you please help me?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/OkoHaozu-2548/hero/11992146
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/okohaozu-2548/OkoCzarki/11992146
I'd like to upgrade my wiz, but i'm kinda stuck. I know my amu, gloves and rings sux, but how about other stuff?
Could you please drop me some advice regarding gear/skills? A friend of mine promised to borrow me 300m so lets set this amount as a budget.
Thx in advance.


you have to reach the 2.74 attackspeed cap
you need a chantodos force with apoc (in case of i think you dont want to use stormcrow ?!)

for the SNS build (ShockNadoSHards) you need Loh... so i would recommend blackthornes pants... you should go for lacurnis with cc and maybe more armour/resis
other thing is: i would recommend the natalyas ring+boots combo... 7%cc is really nice and you got 9%attackspeed on ring.. check for int rolls on them... maybe you ll get some other things like resis,armour,vit, cc on ring ?!
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Feb 27 2013 06:30am
hello,

my wiz has/will have about 200-220k dps unbuffed and ww breakpoint at 2.74 aps. allres will be at about 650-700 and life at about 50k.
is ~450 loh from blackthornes pants enough to "easily" survive in mp10 uber?

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Feb 27 2013 06:32am
Quote (Pinger @ Feb 27 2013 10:26am)
I can farm mp2 with no drama's at all but anything higher and I start taking very big hits, I'm unsure of what I should upgrade next to increase my survivability
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Poss-1112/hero/30630929

I think my biggest issue may be my all res, which I can get by upgrading my bt pants for all res / high vit roll and all res on my lacuni's
Next I would work on buying a zuni pox and upgrading one of my other rings with ias
Finally I would upgrade my tals chest for a high vit roll

Would these upgrades make me capable of farming mp5 efficiently as archon? and is that the order I should upgrade in?
Thanks in advance for any help / info you can recommend to me


try magic weap with blood magie.. you need LL with archon.. maybe you can survive with that.. otherwhise you need some more upgrades.. i think blackthornes is not that nice in case of u dont use the Loh @ archon
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Feb 27 2013 11:18am
Mad1Lee, I have some questions for you and I think others can benefit from your responses:

1) When you switch out a skill to use Bubble with Stretch Time to reach the next WW BP, which skill do you lose that is swapped out in its place?
2) I have tested 72% attack speed increase. I dismiss my enchantress, and when throw the bubble up with stretch time, I have 3.00 APS. I thought the BP marked is just above 3 requiring 3.01? Can you confirm this?
3) Now that blizzard procs cm, it seems like we should at least test it out considering that this would eliminate the need for conflagration and double back on cold blooded. Have you tested using blizzard instead of meteor?
4) Does LoH serve to restore diamond skin shield?
5) On mp10, what are your thoughts using Unstable Anomaly in lieu of Evocation or Conflagration if one has low EHP dealing with ubers?
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Feb 27 2013 01:56pm
Quote (ElijahBailey @ Feb 27 2013 08:40am)
@claw89:
Bosses will not gain immunity to cc over time unless you run into timer issue and I honestly don't know what happens when they enrage. Hope that helps!
- is shock procking CM... shocking aspect shocks procking CM?
Yes, it does. It's quite simple to test. Add archon as a skill, go to some low skill level like MP0 and open some map with small creatures. Cast Shocking Aspect, Cast Archon, walk around and notice your archon timer increases when shocking aspect strikes.
- are shards procking CM?
Yes.
- reached stats in this build (Loh, Resis, Armour, HP) ?
I've seen all sorts of people of all stats claim 'godliness' or 'top wiz' so I think this is subjective :) If you're looking to carry ubers, repeatedly, you might want stats close to the ones listed here (not saying it can't be done with less but these are good to aim for if you're not there already):
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7199402584?page=1

@whstevenso21: In addition to the above, you could consider getting a cheap shoulder piece (You might be able to get 250+int/vit/res/armor/150+str vilewards for less than a third of your budget) or sniping a trifecta amulet, you'd be surprised at how cheap they've gotten. BT pants are good too, maybe not armor ones though, try AR or stack vit like a lot of ppl are doing (120+INT/300+VIT/450+LOH ones are available for a third of your budget as well).


well, "The CC resistance starts at 0%. For every 1 second CC that is applied to the monster, the monster receives 10% CC resistance." Somewhere from Blizzard, look it up. So technically it's not immunity but resistance, but after 2-3 minutes they are getting frozen for less than half a second so immunity or resistance, let's not be splitting hair.

Shock armor got no proc rates (same as hydra), please, look it up. When you reduce your arcon cooldown it's the way arcon works - for every enemy killed by you you gain one second to your arcon form. Shock armor doesn't trigger cm though, so more lightings on a screen that crit won't reduce your cooldowns.

Quote (Peey @ Feb 27 2013 12:52pm)


yes, get +0,25 attack speed wand, storm crow with 6 cc (losing cc on helm slot is just bad), get similiar witching but with 9 ias so slow time still takes you to desired 3,003 aps.



Quote (Poniat @ Feb 27 2013 12:56pm)
Hi guys,
Could you please help me?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/OkoHaozu-2548/hero/11992146
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/okohaozu-2548/OkoCzarki/11992146
I'd like to upgrade my wiz, but i'm kinda stuck. I know my amu, gloves and rings sux, but how about other stuff?
Could you please drop me some advice regarding gear/skills? A friend of mine promised to borrow me 300m so lets set this amount as a budget.
Thx in advance.


all jewelry pieces, gloves, bracers (lacunis). You need 9 ias (or at least 8) on every slot. Don't use inna's with that setup though, just try to reach 2,74 aps with blackthorne pants.
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Feb 27 2013 02:10pm
Quote (Pinger @ Feb 27 2013 01:26pm)
I can farm mp2 with no drama's at all but anything higher and I start taking very big hits, I'm unsure of what I should upgrade next to increase my survivability
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Poss-1112/hero/30630929

I think my biggest issue may be my all res, which I can get by upgrading my bt pants for all res / high vit roll and all res on my lacuni's
Next I would work on buying a zuni pox and upgrading one of my other rings with ias
Finally I would upgrade my tals chest for a high vit roll

Would these upgrades make me capable of farming mp5 efficiently as archon? and is that the order I should upgrade in?
Thanks in advance for any help / info you can recommend to me


trying to build higher mp arcon wizard might be expensive and a little bit inefficient since you won't be able to arcon with your friends in multiplayer. Try to get items that are suitable for both arcon and cm/ww - sns setups. So the only thing you would need to switch between those two is switch weapon/off-hand.

Quote (whstevenso21 @ Feb 27 2013 09:18pm)
Mad1Lee, I have some questions for you and I think others can benefit from your responses:

1) When you switch out a skill to use Bubble with Stretch Time to reach the next WW BP, which skill do you lose that is swapped out in its place?
2) I have tested 72% attack speed increase. I dismiss my enchantress, and when throw the bubble up with stretch time, I have 3.00 APS. I thought the BP marked is just above 3 requiring 3.01? Can you confirm this?
3) Now that blizzard procs cm, it seems like we should at least test it out considering that this would eliminate the need for conflagration and double back on cold blooded. Have you tested using blizzard instead of meteor?
4) Does LoH serve to restore diamond skin shield?
5) On mp10, what are your thoughts using Unstable Anomaly in lieu of Evocation or Conflagration if one has low EHP dealing with ubers?


1) I use Slow time instead of Meteor and switch conflagration with evocation
2) yes, in fact, you need 3,003 aps for next breakpoint and you are reaching it with 1,65 chantodo's will and 72% ias from gear + Slow Time/Time Stretch.
3) It's still kinda useless in high end setups. First of all, it doesn't stack (we could finish there, because nothing can come close to casting 10 meteors in 3 seconds while casting shards and blasts and storm armor), second of all, it's damage over time, so 5xx % damage over 8 or whatever seconds is really bad on higher mps. It procs horribly too. If you find it hard to use both conflagration and cold blooded, use evocation to drop additional damage but gain faster cooldowns (thus more survivability). You can also add cold snap there, to be even tankier. I also tested that with Comet rune (ice meteor), works pretty well since it freezes enemies too. Less damage, but more tankiness.
4) No, loh only restores health points.
5) If you are dieing on mp10 - don't play mp10, it's that simple. Evocation with Cold Snap is a great combo for super high crowd control and great survivability. Unstable Anomaly is a cheat passive for Hardcore or useless brawling mod or for some streamers who don't pay attention to the game while chatting with stream viewers. It won't help you fight ubers effectively.

Quote (Hidden @ Feb 27 2013 04:30pm)
hello,

my wiz has/will have about 200-220k dps unbuffed and ww breakpoint at 2.74 aps. allres will be at about 650-700 and life at about 50k.
is ~450 loh from blackthornes pants enough to "easily" survive in mp10 uber?

best regards hidden


won't be enough probably. You need to recover very fast from burst type of damage like arcane sentries or butterflies or whatever. 450 loh just won't do. Also armor is a super important stat to balance when you have high all res. Because having 700 all res and 3000 armor is kinda useless.
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Feb 27 2013 03:50pm
anyone can link me in pm a decent mp7 or 8+ cm wiz build?
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Feb 27 2013 04:56pm
OK so I have some testing to report regarding my open conversation with Mad1Lee:

All tests were done on mp5 using Azmodan.

This skill setup was repeatedly the fastest killer by far (matter of five to ten seconds!):

Diamond Shards (Diamond Skin),
Chain Reaction (Explosive Blast),
Meteor Shower (Meteor),
Shocking Aspect (Storm Armor),
Wicked Wind (Energy Twister),
Bone Chill (Frost Nova),
Critical Mass
Cold Blooded
Conflagration

If anyone wants to post a new set of skills, I will test it for you and post the results. I tried swapping to Blizzard with multiple runes, swapped to Time Stretch to reach the 3 APS BP, and it still was not as fast. Nothing I tried even really came close... I really thought that blizzard would be better than it was, but Mad1Lee called it. The meteor procs CM so much better, still, and the blizz doesn't stack, so you have to cast it all over the screen and there may not be enough monsters for it to be usefull (tl;dr: useless on ubers).

I found that the tankiest (although this is hard to measure verify because I am basically eye-balling my health...) skill setup was this (changes from above highlighted):

Crystal Shell (Diamond Skin),
Chain Reaction (Explosive Blast),
Comet (Meteor),
Prismatic Armor (Energy Armor),
Wicked Wind (Energy Twister),
Cold Snap (Frost Nova),
Critical Mass
Cold Blooded
Evocation

I hope this helps all of you aspiring CM/WW wizs out there. You can start with the bottom setup and work your way to the upper setup.

With the bottom setup, I was able to tank mp8 without dying with this wiz:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rain-1622/hero/11640801

Right now, with the items I have, I will upgrade to Storm Crow 6cc next, then swap ring for litany or rare and boots for ice climbers for the much needed ehp.
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Feb 27 2013 05:57pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Feb 28 2013 06:10am)
trying to build higher mp arcon wizard might be expensive and a little bit inefficient since you won't be able to arcon with your friends in multiplayer. Try to get items that are suitable for both arcon and cm/ww - sns setups. So the only thing you would need to switch between those two is switch weapon/off-hand.


Alright then, I was thinking it would be more expensive trying to switch to a cm/ww - sns build :rofl: I will switch my weapon/off-hand, get all res on my legs and bracers and maybe get ice climbers for more life.

Thanks heaps :D

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