sup guys .... can someone post the cookie cutter archon build please

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7924333221

feeling pretty irritated by this, they change mechanics without implementing in patch notes, another bug? haven't tried myself

would have some impact on build though

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tried with 10 apoc

it's possible to play cm/ww now (not running flawless), but definitely wasn't working before !

tried with 16 apoc too (i dont run out of ap vs single targets)

looks like some changes where made (as they tried to get a blizz build working?)

not a minor issue imo, i could save a whole lot of gold or boost by my dps by 50k with buying 9 apoc wand and 6 apoc source instead of 10/9+

@Larry777: Just get a 250+dmg (300 if you're so inclined)/250+int/vit source. Loads cheaper than apoc versions. Boost dps from int, hp from vit - win-win. Don't feel bad about being irritated - I only acquired my 290/10apoc source towards the end of 1.06 and I'm somewhat chagrined, as an understatement, that it may have been for nothing. Could very well have spent the funds on a trifecta amulet instead Well, at least I can always use it to spam flashy meteors

This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 12:42pm

I am not coming at you, dude, or getting personal, sorry, but you misunderstood me.

You got a nice char and all, deffo can smell some billions there, but just 49,5 cc, really? I mean, in my opinion, using that hellfire ring really brings down your overall performance. I could feel difference after going to 53,5 cc (from 51,5 cc) with my new lacunis, I mean high cc really matters and I am not even sure diminishing returns ever kick in there. Also if you are rich and everything, why are you using armor/all res thornes? Imo, it's an overkill, additional int/vita roll + all res is a best way to go. Personally I would recommend every sns wizard 70 all res 250 vita Blackthornes, but that's just too pricey. Gonna make the video now, if someone here can sell me some igg just so I can make topic in bold I would appreciate.

Mad1Lee: Sigh. Again with the character and personal insults. You are doing it again!!! Please learn to make an object point without criticizing somebody's character and resorting to personal attacks. Now, here is my personal response to your personal insult: like I said earlier, I have MULTIPLE pieces of gear and I mentioned it to ward off responses just like yours. To be perfectly clear, I can EASILY get to HIGHER cc than you, while maintaining higher armor, higher allres, higher dps, etc. Are we done here? Can we get back to discussing the actual build instead of e-peening our chars? High cc certainly matters but no diminishing returns? I disagree. If you're getting say, 3cc on a piece of gear when you can get 45% chd instead, that's a trade-off. This is the type of trade-off I made when equipping my current hellfire ring, even though I have ones with 6cc. There are certainly points at which people would rather not increase their cc at the expense of increasing something else.

In response to armor/allres thorns (I'm going to ignore that comment about being rich and everything - don't hate the playa, hate da game), I am wearing it b/c this is what I found to work for me in 1.06. Please do not use the gear on my char as a basis for 'optimal gear'. At no point in time did I EVER say that I am running super-optimal gear. Like I said, my char name is not Frostburn and neither is yours so nobody is wearing super-optimal gear, we are all theory-crafting.

Now, getting back to the stormcrow, it's obvious that you recommend the gear for many ppl due to budget and I don't disagree - if you could just read my posts, in one of my very first ones I said I agree stormcrow is the most budget-friendly helm and I recommend/help friends gear with it as well. Your point is that it is BiS - my point is that it's not, at least it's debatable.

This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 01:14pm

well, don't hate the player when I do a little critique of your character, hate the game. You shouldn't take it personally any time since it's not a game of skill by any means. You can critique my character all you want, I only welcome it.

Also, discussing our build, I mentioned it so many times, critical damage is the last stat we need. It's literally only damage, nothing more. Unlike critical hit chance, which besides damage offers us more versatility and survivability. And if you are on EU we can use your mempo to make tests.

Quite obviously I just wanted to discuss the BiS-ness of stormcrow. Whatever the heck my char looks like or is wearing doesn't come into play and I didn't want to post my char because I knew that this is what would happen. I have no interest in critiquing your char or anybody else's for that matter. Just because we're not wearing optimal gear doesn't mean we don't know what optimal gear is. I know full well I could be running trifectas, quadfectas, etc. on everything to be optimal. Like I said, I'm not Frostburn and neither are you. Why don't you drop it and move on to discussing actual build/gears eh?

Regarding crit damage: Sure, it's 'just damage'. For those of us who have no problems with survival, esp with rd nerf in 1.07, the natural place to transition is into a higher-edps build for greater farming efficiency b/c we no longer need super-tank ehp chars.

This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 01:30pm

Well, not just damage, but more like paper dps to me. Higher critical chance instead of higher critical damage may look like less damage on paper, but with faster cooldowns and more apoc you cast more offensive skills, your storm armor shocking aspect procs more thus resulting in higher effective dps. Didn't you test 4 cc vs 40 cd to find out effective dps?

Yes Mad1Lee, I sure did - I always do at least an MP10 ghom test to check edps when gearing, I'm all about edps and not paper Unfortunately, 4cc vs 40cd is no question for me at least - 40cd is much more edps, not just on paper (it was actually 6cc vs 48 chd for me in terms of ring stats). Shocking aspect (and everything else) procs a bit less but when they do, they proc a lot harder. I personally think that now that we're in 1.07, once people figure out they are dying less, they many start dropping AR/Armor for more dps and faster farming. The proc tables really have changed, I invite you to try it for yourself like Larry did, it may be possible that more people will start running with just 10apoc, I know for me I will test it out some more but so far, loving the int/vit increase from non-apoc source.

This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 01:43pm