OK thanks for level headed response. I know I can count on you for this. Overall, I should always keep balance in mind.

Weird thing happened. I thought I would have less DPS than before with (butcher's sickle and triumvirate). But with both chants completed, I have even more paper DPS than before, so bonus all around. Nice surprise.

So now, I must save up once again, and wait until I have enough to buy the next end-game cheapest slot. I remember you say to focus on 9 ias stats, or basically perfect ias rolls only. I can do this.

And,

Based on your response, maybe Storm Crow should be the next item then. I agree Storm Crow is obviously better for cm/ww for reasons you repeat every day to newbies.

Only thing is, I need to close the IAS gap first to 2.73 (currently 2.64) and then close the CC gap second to ~40% (currently 34%), especially if I remove mempo's ias and cc.

My amulet may be the best way to start on that before Storm Crow...

This post was edited by whstevenso21 on Feb 19 2013 11:10pm

Lastly, if you learn how to do the video, you would be helping many more folks. If you do it, please send me link.

glad I could help. 50 cc and 2,74 aps is what every cm/ww should aim for. However I feel difference having 53,5 cc now so I think I will squeeze out as much as I can without sacrificing other stats. If anyone knows how to record gameplay video, let me know.

Yikes Mad1Lee, tone it down a bit? My comments are not 'clueless' - the same debate is occuring on the wiz forums as well:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7890869020?page=1

Some high-end cmwiz profiles for your perusal:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Boozor-1433/hero/14262855
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Aphraell-1269/hero/986244

In response to your other comments - I think getting 400 loh on jewelry is not quite as hard as getting trifectas on everything. Also, with the new patch, you only need ~400loh, so bt pants is all you need. In fact, you may not even need 20 apoc after the patch (try it, ghom mp10 with just 1 apoc source). So, in the end if you only need 400 loh (bt pants) and 10apoc (chant wand), the stormcrow is only good for the lightning damage. For my char:

With top end stormcrow:
210dps, 625ar, 5200armor, 46k hp (w/ blackthorn, swapping out for chd hellfire/chd amu)
227dps, 650ar, 5225armor, 38k hp (w/o blackthorn, swapping out for chd hellfire/chd amu)

With low-end mempo:
220dps, 725ar, 5100armor, 39k hp (chd hellfire, chd amulet)
211dps, 715ar, 5200armor, 49k hp <- my usual setup, with 36k hp due to ruby in helm for exp.

It's not too much of a difference for me and I'd have to tradeoff hp, etc. It's certainly not 'proven' that stormcrow is best unless you have some other facts you like to add? Also, when exactly did sns+meteor become 'the most powerful version of sns'? SNS multiplier with timewarp-stretch time can be 8-11x depending on ias breakpoint, sns+meteor same? Try the mp10 ghom test with sns/stretch time vs sns/meteor, I think you'll find the results interesting. Does sns/meteor have the potential to output the most dps at a single point in time? Sure. Sustainable throughout the entire fight? Nah. It's a good build, I like running it myself to feel more like a wizard sometimes




This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 12:02am

Oops I meant Slow Time-Time Warp, not stretch time The 20% dmg yellow bubble, hehe.

Multi billion characters don't always mean players with most knowledge in the game. Usually those people are credit card warriors, nothing else. Usually, when people gather 6 billion character they feel like they MUST have 1 billion helm and not 60 million wizard hat.



You got to link your character and your items because those numbers don't tell me much, other than you miss resists on your gear.



http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mad1Lee-2243/hero/195500 this is me. I got enough resists and armor just for anything, except higher mp burst damages (like fallen maniacs or molten explosions, gotta increase my hp for those), I could use like 300 more armor though, maybe few more resists. My gear is built such that I'd rather use time stretch over time warp, because time stretch takes me to new breakpoint and means much more damage for me. And I tested bubble setup and meteor setup and came to a conclusion when meteor setup is superior. It is the best sns build. One can argue that time stretch that takes you to the new breakpoint is safer (you don't have to use conflagration and can use evocation too) however in some cases your meteor can easily make you ranged wizard whereas with bubble you always gotta be in the center of things. Again, if Mempo doesn't take you to the new breakpoint, than 9 ias we get there is mostly paper dps. Only real advantage of mempo is EHP, but our EHP stems from high aps/cc that allows us to regenerate diamond skin faster (if we get all res from mempo somewhere else), so the only real advantage of mempo is higher health pool which is only good versus burst type of damages. And if you got less hp with storm and it bothers you, just use ame gem somewhere, problem solved.

Also I was thinking that 18 apoc is enough untill I tried 27+ apoc setup.

Downloaded fraps, gonna try and make a video soon.

i disagree with a lot of this. especially the bit about how much LoH you need. APoC on one piece may be viable with enough CC.

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/visaria-1906/Atera/28432321

wish i had more time to elaborate but i'm at work atm

add me in-game i'd be more than glad to talk it out

so I did record a video, however, it glitched and sound disappeared. I am going to record again after I am back home in few hours and upload it on youtube. Stay tuned.

@Mad1Lee: "You got to link your character and your items because those numbers don't tell me much, other than you miss resists on your gear." <- Wow yet another personal attack, real mature Mad1Lee. Your char has 484 resist, I have 472, not really much cause for the 'miss resist on gear' crap eh? Also I could easily point to yours and say, <5k armor? Way too low I've got a variety of gear, can easily switch into higher EHP (800ar/5k+armor/etc) if I so chose but 1.07 is easier so starting to drop some EHP for DPS. Seriously, it's possible to defend your viewpoint without being condescending, I'm fully aware you're active in this thread and have helped many people out, good for you - just because I haven't posted much doesn't mean I'm clueless. My char has got 'enough armors/resists to handle anything' as well, I carried 150+ ubers as a wiz in 1.06. In regards to the video, I don't need to see a video of your meteor farming, man. I've seen a couple already, have played with ggish 30apoc meteor wizzes and I can meteor farm myself at 30APOC, it's nothing I haven't done before. I am not bringing up multi-billion chars just b/c the gear costs a lot (after all none of us are FrostBurn), I bring them up as examples b/c they are knowledgeable, write guides and help out in general. Aph in particular created a meteor wiz guide:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004031786

@Would aim: Nice char (and you're wearing a mempo too, man doesn't help the stormcrow argument, haha j/k). Not really necessary to talk it out, just discuss here on forums. Feel free to let me know what you disagree with, I'm open to discussion (and yup everybody's browsing forums from work, hehe). LOH from bt pants alone is what I've been running since 1.07 and I've not had an issue. In all honesty the single fight I've found a use for higher LOH is Ghom. For farming, not a problem.

My char: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Carnac-1372/hero/24913214
(For whatever reason, everybody is showing character profiles like it means anything or boosts their argument. Well I can too, multi-billion char, just like would aim. Have several pieces of gear I can swap into/out of to hit breakpoints, dps, ehp whatever. Did that convince you (more)? Sigh. Seriously ppl.)

In regards to APOC, 1.07 is not the same, just try it out and see. I know full well in 1.06 when I was running with my 17APOC setup, it was enough but on the low end and I could feel the difference going up to 20APOC. Now in 1.07, I ran my usual vota route on mp7 and mp10 with 10apoc just from the wand and it's not an issue. It's one of those 'you gotta try it to believe it' things. And yes, I also tried mp10 ghom with 10APOC, not a problem.
APOC thread on forums:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7924333221

This post was edited by ElijahBailey on Feb 20 2013 10:44am