if i understand him correctly it's not about effective dps, he wants/needs more ehp
mempo/black nice def boost imo
are my fingers too slow or why i dont run out of ap with 19 apoc?
storm crow might be different story with black dps dagger ofc

"Already been tested and for CM/WW setup Storm Crow is just better, period."

link pls

This post was edited by Larry777 on Feb 10 2013 09:49pm

well me and my friend tested it, how the hell do i link that? Just search b-net forums for cm/ww builds math and you ll see that additional apoc is additional damage and survivability. EHP on mempo is higher and it's unrivaled in pvp. But for CM/WW wiz Storm is better all the way. If you want we can test it if you got crit mempo. I am on eu.

and with storm crow and 28 apoc I can use crazy SNS + meteor build which got highest e-dps to dps ratio in game i think.

This post was edited by Mad1Lee on Feb 10 2013 10:16pm

y thats what i thought right after i posted, with meteor as 6th skill u can argue in favor of storm crow
otw i don't see it mempo + black will add like 40% life + @
well bottom line is can u make use of additional apoc and with my current skill setup 19-20 apoc seems enough

This post was edited by Larry777 on Feb 10 2013 10:39pm

even with classic SNS + bubble additional apoc is good. Vs single targets especially. Just do some tests vs azmo. Loh is super useful too, it's really hard to get it on jewelry.

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Thank you so much Mad1Lee. Now I got a killer wiz and it was fun & educational too.

i have tried and tested so many setups with so many different pieces of gear. SNS, non-SNS... storm crow, no storm crow, 2.74, 3.01+, etc....

there's so much to explain on what might be of help and what may hurt. the beauty of the CM is that EVERYTHING, literally EVERYTHING ties together and is dependent upon another. how are you to proc APoC without enough CC? lower APS = less chance to proc CC = less chance to proc APoC, you get it? it's a lot.

currently my wiz sits at 3.03aps, 17apoc (fucking noob i know, working on making that 20, but works for now even single target), 49.5%cc.

500k+ eHP <- i think this right here is what matters most. survivability over damage. unless you're a 220k unbuffed SNS capable wizard, dont worry about using anything other than pinpoint or prismatic.

your build is based off of i would say, 3 things. mainhand, source, and helm. IAS mainhand? you can focus on non-IAS items elsewhere. storm crow? you wont need an apoc force. yes, 20+ apoc is nice. a storm crow with cc is nice. but i've found that at 3.01+aps using a mempo/apoc force/ias chant vs. cc storm crow/apoc force/ias chant at 2.74 aps... the 3.01 setup wins. why? eHP.

just a short blurb of my findings... but i've got so many stashed items you'd be like wtf. i can make a whole nother cm wiz if i wanted to. it's like that. retarded how much i've wasted on testing and buying things that ended up not working for me.

just take a look at my wiz and see. i can even run with you ingame if you like. but my current setup tops anything i've tried. i'm SNS capable... barely... but i can do it. just need that extra apoc. sorry if some of this stuff is irrelevant. pm me if you would like more insight

I like your wiz a lot except your apoc. This apoc lowers your effective dps so so much. Just go with tal armor and storm and you will do much better.

To be completely honest this wizard is 990 millions except the wand which you already had from your friend who sniped it for something like 50 mill. But I am still proud of the items I could get for that budget.