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Jan 20 2013 02:27pm
Quote (SSS1 @ Jan 18 2013 09:54pm)
Not sure about EU, but a low 1150, 1.65, 10 apoc chant would cost at least 700m alone. Perfect ias chant with 1220 and similar stats cost about the same. So it's more like 100 cd vs 70 dps + ias. I am not quite sure which way to go at the moment. Coming from a non-cm wiz I am not quite sure how much weapon dps weighs against cd.

Shouldn't I keep my blackthorne's pants? It provides really good ehp. And zuni boots?


well, buy 113x for 300 million, no need to over pay for total 1k dps difference. 100cd% is definitely more dps for us than 70 weapon dps since we stack a lot of critical chance, however, it comes to free skill slot - will it cover 100% cd difference or not?

About pants - 6 pick up radius is another 70 all res or 360 armor lost, imo. Boots are ok, but cold resist could be physical resist/extra armor/extra vita.
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Jan 20 2013 04:07pm
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Not sure if EHP takes into account up to 460 LOH you can get from Stormcrow. In my opinion realistically it's about the same EHP if we take into consideration LOH and maybe little bit less of effective dps (4% dps vs elites is like 8k damage if you got 200k dps wizard) although I am not really sure here since we are losing apoc. We are not gaining real dps from extra ias if we already at aps. breakpoint, aren't we? IMO, only thing we really gain is paper dps and maybe little bit more EHP (bit more if we socket ame), so real choice is dictated by one's budget and total apoc preference.


your logic is kinda flawed here imo.
The extra IAS frees up a slot somewhere else, allowing you a much wider ring or amulet choice, which is in the end much more dps.
How should ehp take loh into account? EHP is just the amount you can get hit for before you die, and loh refreshes that. Of course more LoH is increasing your survivability, but in the end EHP is just to cover for burst dmg, nothing more nothing less.
And against burst dmg loh doesnt not help if you die from it.
Also you get loads of resis from mempo, which you can either stack or substitute for other item parts without res, allowing you again more flexibility, for example on gloves.
So from my point of view in the end you gain alot real dps, more ehp, more int and alot of item flexibility.
Of course its more expensive, but as i said, end game gear.

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Jan 20 2013 05:00pm
Quote (Mesmerise @ Jan 21 2013 02:07am)
your logic is kinda flawed here imo.
The extra IAS frees up a slot somewhere else, allowing you a much wider ring or amulet choice, which is in the end much more dps.
How should ehp take loh into account? EHP is just the amount you can get hit for before you die, and loh refreshes that. Of course more LoH is increasing your survivability, but in the end EHP is just to cover for burst dmg, nothing more nothing less.
And against burst dmg loh doesnt not help if you die from it.
Also you get loads of resis from mempo, which you can either stack or substitute for other item parts without res, allowing you again more flexibility, for example on gloves.
So from my point of view in the end you gain alot real dps, more ehp, more int and alot of item flexibility.
Of course its more expensive, but as i said, end game gear.


mate, you made a good point of freeing up a 9ias slot, but that's the only good point there. Don't forget that 100 str = 100 armor and 100 dexterity is some amount of dodge %. Also don't forget about hidden damage from 4% dam to elites. Deadly burst damage can be mitigated and should be mitigated by your gear without help of mempo, if you are relying on super expensive Mempo for that, than your wizard is built wrong. Let's do some testing ingame with your mempo and mine storm crow.
Also, extra apoc yields extra wicked winds which in return yield extra LOH and extra novas. Last, but not the least, good luck finding good 300+loh jewelry for adequate price.
But really, let's test it.
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Jan 20 2013 05:05pm
Quote (Mesmerise @ Jan 20 2013 06:21am)
1. at least 18apoc to make it viable, more is just smoothening your gameplay, but you can play very well with ~20. Of course more is nice...

2. Imo mempo is the end game solution. Storm crow is pretty nice as well and cost wise sooo much cheaper even with 6%cc, but the ehp gain from mempo is imo just too big. I would go for a mempo with crit if you can afford it. And mempo helps you as well to get your breakpoint


Is there a noticeable difference between 20 apoc and 30?

I guess I will grab a storm crow for now. A near perfect storm crow costs 200m, whereas a near perfect mempo on AH cost 2b if you are lucky enough to snipe it. Also if you get mempo you'll need an apoc chantodo source which by itself is 1.5-2b.

With 500m non-apoc chantodo you can get extra 100+ int and 100 vit roll, which also improves your dps and ehp.







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Jan 20 2013 05:12pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 20 2013 01:27pm)
well, buy 113x for 300 million, no need to over pay for total 1k dps difference. 100cd% is definitely more dps for us than 70 weapon dps since we stack a lot of critical chance, however, it comes to free skill slot - will it cover 100% cd difference or not?

About pants - 6 pick up radius is another 70 all res or 360 armor lost, imo. Boots are ok, but cold resist could be physical resist/extra armor/extra vita.


Well it's more like 70 dps and 0.14 aps vs 100 cd. I don't have gears to test the effective dps.

How much ias do I need to get to 2.73 aps from 1.65?
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Jan 20 2013 05:44pm
Quote (SSS1 @ Jan 21 2013 03:05am)
Is there a noticeable difference between 20 apoc and 30?

I guess I will grab a storm crow for now. A near perfect storm crow costs 200m, whereas a near perfect mempo on AH cost 2b if you are lucky enough to snipe it. Also if you get mempo you'll need an apoc chantodo source which by itself is 1.5-2b.

With 500m non-apoc chantodo you can get extra 100+ int and 100 vit roll, which also improves your dps and ehp.


I would suggest apoc source still. And avoid spending more than 60 mill on Storm Crow.

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Well it's more like 70 dps and 0.14 aps vs 100 cd. I don't have gears to test the effective dps.

How much ias do I need to get to 2.73 aps from 1.65?


you can do the math, mate: 2,73/1,65 ~66% from skills and gear: it means 8 9ias items or 7 9ias items + Time Stretch.

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Jan 20 2013 08:54pm
Quote (Mad1Lee @ Jan 20 2013 04:44pm)
I would suggest apoc source still. And avoid spending more than 60 mill on Storm Crow.



you can do the math, mate: 2,73/1,65 ~66% from skills and gear: it means 8 9ias items or 7 9ias items + Time Stretch.


Ah thanks.

So does 30 apoc make a big difference from 20 apoc?

So, it seems like there's a big advantage using 1.79 aps wand then. Because 2.73/1.79=53% or 6 9ias items needed. That means I can achieve this breakpoint with 2 rings, witching hour, source, glove, and lacuni. That makes high ehp zuni chest + zuni ring plus nat ring + nat boots possible. And you can also get a lot of flexibility with amulet as well.



This post was edited by SSS1 on Jan 20 2013 09:17pm
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anybody have advice on upgrades for me i have a budget of 400mil http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zanyactin-1768/hero/11393729
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anybody have advice on upgrades for me i have a budget of 400mil http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zanyactin-1768/hero/11393729


definately 6% stormcrow
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