I found demolition procs alot more and hatred isnt anproblem but rockets kill them alot faster thus not needing to strafe as much

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This post was edited by donkilluminatiV on Mar 11 2013 11:24pm

is it surpassing the classic bow/arrow setup?
should 1 handed crossbows only be used in dual wield?

i'm curious how things have shaped up, haven't played since pre 1.04
discuss

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new nats > legacy nats in pvp...

legacy nats do not have the ehp for barbs or wd, unless ofc you have really insane gear but even then i dont think they will beat top barbs and wds..


show me a legacy nats dh that can beat top barbs and wds


PS. legacy nats dh do not own non legacy dh's .... its more or less first to 2 impales wins



This post was edited by jackherer on Mar 12 2013 08:22am

1v1: legacy nats is worse than new nats
4 player FFA: new nats 4 set is only better if you are really skilled and have really good gear, legacy nats might be better otherwise.

1. Agree
2. kinda agree but depends on use of smoke screens, everyone has this stupid picture in their heads that legacy nats gives you unlimited smoke screens, when in reality it doesnt. IMO 2 or 3 extra smokescreens mean nothing if you die in 1 hit, you lose out on much dodge %, life, armor, res, DPS. I really dont think its worth it for anything but farming. i run 40 discipline or 60 discipline in pvp non legacy depending who i duel this gives me either 80 or 120 discipline after preparation which is about 7 smokescreens minimum (6 i know but usually 7 or 8 by the time u run out) the only duel i know that lasts longer than 7 smoke screens is vs a strong barb

vs monk quick duel
vs dh quick duel
vs wd quick duel
vs wiz quick duel

The only good pvp legacy dh i met is Neotox.

This post was edited by jackherer on Mar 12 2013 08:37am

Havent done any dueling yet so i have no idea how the scene is

Dang got stomped by MysticaL last night. He's soooo good.

His movement is by far the best I've ever faced.

And for me, legacy nats is more annoying.

This post was edited by jinshin85 on Mar 12 2013 10:22am

I met 2 situations in 4 player FFA (3 piece new nat+10 disc cloak+SoJ+10 disc quiver sometimes):
-I outgear them, so I stay in middle and only use smoke screen sometimes, maybe even use sentry to own them more
-They have similar/better gear, so I let them fight each other and snipe them from far away, legacy nats give different discipline management ability, you can vault to get in better position but your dps/ehp is obviously lower, you can get away for 10sec and get your discipline back. With new nats, you can't really vault and smoke screen, you have to manage your discipline better.
I think legacy nat might be better in 4 DH FFA and new nat is better against good ehp barbs/monks and other classes.
I played against 3 other paragon 90+ DHs and it was the most insane 1-shot fest I've ever seen.

And the only counter to a barb is high dps, you have to burst them and not let them run away and regen their life.