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Jan 10 2013 05:10pm
Quote (Tboner @ 10 Jan 2013 22:41)
white trash dies in an instant with/without soj but yea maybe ill use a hellfire instead

and yea ive been doing mp1.. nice when i jus want to thro on some music and farm one handed haha

and i get like 192k buffed atm.. and trash dies as soon as i touch it and elites take 2-3 secs

and yea galv ward makes sense since magic weap / familiar both are 4-5 mins

I still need to improve my resists/armor.. i just picked up a pretty good defensive witching hour (116str, 95int, 60 all res, +206 armor :) ) so im on my way


here is my cm/ww build, just to give you a second example next to mad one's: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/steppenwolf-2232/hero/22004968
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Jan 10 2013 09:59pm
Quote (Mesmerise @ Jan 10 2013 09:18pm)
i really respect your opinion, but imo you are too narrow in the way of thinking that there is only one build.
You dont need to use the bubble, and 2,73 is a more than viable breakpoint, giving you at least a tiny bit of build flexibility in terms of a free skill slot.

In terms of life... If you plan on playing high mps and mp10 ubers, you DO need a good amount of life, since you will ALWAYS receive burst dmg from time to time, and its fucking annoying to die to this all the time.
Versus Magda and Skeleton king you are food with 30k ish life, at least thats from what i experienced from ~80 uber runs with several different other sorcs.
And you dont get fried by reflect packs with less than 5k armor, i can definitely say that. Especially if you do not use diamond shards. With shards you have to be quite careful ofc.
In terms of resis i totally agree, although i think 800ish is sufficient. Ringwise i would go for a zuni+unity combo, so leaving a ring without res but a bunch of super important other stats. (Again, only one possible choice).


Well, you got more expensive wizard than me, that's obvious, but I don't understand how are you making it work with Meteor and 20 apoc. How often do you spam meteor? Because my guess is it eats ap pretty quickly, ap that you need for wicked winds and blasts. Do you spam it like once in 6-7 seconds?

In terms of life, I did quite a few mp10 uber runs, I never die to siegebraker and ghom duets, with magda I just need to be careful, that's all. I doubt extra 10k life will save me there, because leoric's moonwalk or magda lasers deal huge damage. Key is to stay close to magda and freeze her - Leoric will join anyway. Otherwise you are bound to eat her projectiles and sentries.

I tried going shards-nado-shock today, I do pretty ok vs reflect and double reflect packs. I have to be extra careful. What really killed me like 2-3 times at mp5 were hands of pestilence, without prismatic health goes down dramatically quicker. Gotta get trifecta zuni, but I don't know if I ever save enough gold for it. But Litany of the Undaunted I sniped for 100 mill does wonders.

About Unity Ring - I dunno, man, it got 8 ias max and no resists, not sure about it.

EDIT: With prismatic and shards I just don't die.

This post was edited by Mad1Lee on Jan 10 2013 10:13pm
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Jan 11 2013 12:32pm
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Well, you got more expensive wizard than me, that's obvious, but I don't understand how are you making it work with Meteor and 20 apoc. How often do you spam meteor? Because my guess is it eats ap pretty quickly, ap that you need for wicked winds and blasts. Do you spam it like once in 6-7 seconds?

In terms of life, I did quite a few mp10 uber runs, I never die to siegebraker and ghom duets, with magda I just need to be careful, that's all. I doubt extra 10k life will save me there, because leoric's moonwalk or magda lasers deal huge damage. Key is to stay close to magda and freeze her - Leoric will join anyway. Otherwise you are bound to eat her projectiles and sentries.

I tried going shards-nado-shock today, I do pretty ok vs reflect and double reflect packs. I have to be extra careful. What really killed me like 2-3 times at mp5 were hands of pestilence, without prismatic health goes down dramatically quicker. Gotta get trifecta zuni, but I don't know if I ever save enough gold for it. But Litany of the Undaunted I sniped for 100 mill does wonders.

About Unity Ring - I dunno, man, it got 8 ias max and no resists, not sure about it.

EDIT: With prismatic and shards I just don't die.


I just wanted to show a second alternative using 2,73 aps breakpoint and a different route in terms of item combination (mempo instead etc.), wasnt about better or more expensive or sth.!

the gameplay with meteor is as following:
you build up few winds quickly, then cast few meteors until you realise arcane not refreshing as before, then refresh few winds, then again meteors.
You should have meteors up quite constantly, which is especially important for the conflagaration effect.

i bet you made the uber runs with diamond skin crystal shell right? because otherwise magda or leo 1 shot you with less than 30k life. and even with it you get 2 shotted definitely.
Of course you can play super cautious etc, but in my opinion the cm wizz should always be able to stand its ground and perma stun, even with projectiles and leo spinning around, so that others are able to do dmg or avoid being hit. But thats just me.

Hands of pestilence is just imba dmg in any way, same as a few other monster effects, which are just hilarious in terms of dmg output.

And about unity, look at the stats again:
- the average dmg is a HUGE dps boost
- high int on it as well
- high loh on board, even up to 3xx
- crit on house
- elite dmg on house, which is a few k dps as well
- 1 free affix, which can be ias or critdmg, depending on rest equip

the only downside is no res as you mentioned, but seriously, there is nearly no comparison dps wise to this ring, period!

and you just dont wanna use prismatic, you will lose about 50-70% dps without storm armor, its just not worth it, then rather switch diamond skin
check this topic about dps comparisons: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004691927

This post was edited by Mesmerise on Jan 11 2013 12:34pm
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Jan 11 2013 04:56pm
I think ive got my wiz built pretty well now

The helm I use is so great defensively.. just wish it had more INT

I hit 3.01 in bubble :) and am able to use SNS now

One last question.. is cold blooded a good passive choice? (I use evocation, cold blooded)

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 11 2013 04:58pm
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I think ive got my wiz built pretty well now

The helm I use is so great defensively.. just wish it had more INT

I hit 3.01 in bubble :) and am able to use SNS now

One last question.. is cold blooded a good passive choice? (I use evocation, cold blooded)


yeah cold blooded is kinda standard choice.
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Jan 11 2013 07:21pm
Quote (Mesmerise @ Jan 11 2013 10:32pm)
I just wanted to show a second alternative using 2,73 aps breakpoint and a different route in terms of item combination (mempo instead etc.), wasnt about better or more expensive or sth.!

the gameplay with meteor is as following:
you build up few winds quickly, then cast few meteors until you realise arcane not refreshing as before, then refresh few winds, then again meteors.
You should have meteors up quite constantly, which is especially important for the conflagaration effect.

i bet you made the uber runs with diamond skin crystal shell right? because otherwise magda or leo 1 shot you with less than 30k life. and even with it you get 2 shotted definitely.
Of course you can play super cautious etc, but in my opinion the cm wizz should always be able to stand its ground and perma stun, even with projectiles and leo spinning around, so that others are able to do dmg or avoid being hit. But thats just me.

Hands of pestilence is just imba dmg in any way, same as a few other monster effects, which are just hilarious in terms of dmg output.

And about unity, look at the stats again:
- the average dmg is a HUGE dps boost
- high int on it as well
- high loh on board, even up to 3xx
- crit on house
- elite dmg on house, which is a few k dps as well
- 1 free affix, which can be ias or critdmg, depending on rest equip

the only downside is no res as you mentioned, but seriously, there is nearly no comparison dps wise to this ring, period!

and you just dont wanna use prismatic, you will lose about 50-70% dps without storm armor, its just not worth it, then rather switch diamond skin
check this topic about dps comparisons: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004691927


I do prismatic armor and diamond shards with mp10 ubers. I actually, I am long past using crystal shell and I don't think I am coming back. Magda doesn't one shot me, trick is to run against the laser to get minimum damage possible and watch out for leoric's moonwalk, because no matter how tought your wiz are it hurts.

So why are you using explosive blast with meteor? Because you just described standard meteor build.

About Unity - great ring, except I can only use 9 ias rings, and it never rolls above 8.
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Jan 11 2013 08:35pm
BTW, guys, add me in b-net: mad1lee#2243 (Mesmerise, tbone)
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Jan 12 2013 02:37am
need an cm/ww expert to pm me please.
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Jan 12 2013 05:45pm
anyone could tell me what scource is best dps wise ?

and mayb also survival wise :P?
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Jan 12 2013 07:10pm
I need help for a friend. I know nothing of Wizards, but hopefully someone can help us out here:


He has a wizard and want's to upgrade his gear and what not and I honestly have no clue on wizards as I am a WD player.

I'm trying to get someone who can help me out so I can help him out haha. He wants to play a wiz that's not CM orientated, but excellent for farming with us, keyrunning and what not at Mp 5-7.

I think he's using wrong skills for one, but more importantly is his gear. I can't even figure out what would be best for him.

If anyone could help me/him that would be awesome because I can see him if he doesn't change any time soon he might get bored and just stop playing!

Here is his profile:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/IDirTyIHarrY-1243/hero/2996683
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