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Nov 12 2012 11:01pm
Quote (D4rk50ul @ Nov 12 2012 11:09pm)
Attack speed might benefit you, having 2.2+ aps is really nice for multiple reasons including hatred gen, sentry firing rate, and bola spray stacking.  You could swap boar for Guardian turrets and get a straight up 15% DR for hatred to conserve your Disc for vault/Gloom and have a nice supplemental damage source as well as far more defense.  With my passive setup including numbing traps my spike traps, sentry fire, and caltrops give 20% reduced damage + the 15% from being in turret bubble and another 35% for glooming.  You can use the Bait the Trap caltrops for an instant +10% crit and also 20% DR to anything within range as well as a way to slow enemies to retreat (Fallen Maniacs), I spam this constantly as it gives me 23k dps boost and is very cheap on discipline.

This is of course basically using my setup which is a very different play style that doesn't suit everyone, I like all my skills to work well together and offer more than 1 benefit to myself and whoever I'm playing with.

As far as gearing figure out your limitations, mainly legacy nat's.  They are ilvl61 so 60res is max, you can get over 200 vit on a shadow though and 170 dex on boots.  The helm with crit is nice but with good enough jewelry/gloves you can go for Allres / Socket and throw an 18% lifer in there.  If you want at least +10 max disc you gotta sacrifice stats somewhere, I'd go for the cloak since DML can roll 300+ dex 300+ vit that will offer a far better bonus than the extra 125ish vit on a double rolled shadow.

Well Life steal is amazing to have base on your weapon and is 100% more effective than life on hit, I rarely gloom unless i'm tanking multiple affixes at once or just out of habit.  Not a huge fan of the Pets except bat, they just don't do much for you. I run 30 max disc and never have an issue whatsoever in my build, 40 is insane and 48 is something I'd expect to see on a non legacy build.  Keep in mind you can swap gems to suit your stats, so if you have vit gems in something and get vit on your bow you can switch them to dex.

Unfortunately you get to a point which you are kind of at where significant upgrades cost 500mil or more, and end game gear is in the 1-2bil+ range.  Either way looks pretty solid as is so be patient and look for GG deals :D


Oh, the pet + max disc is to increase farming efficiency. I wanted as much max disc as I can get because I am obviously behind on plvls. :) I have a 56 res nats cloak that I plan to use once pvp rolls over but all other upgrades, as you said, are going to cost upwards of 100 mil :(.

Your caltrops/turret build is new to me - I may have to try this at higher MPs!

This post was edited by manduki on Nov 12 2012 11:01pm
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Nov 13 2012 12:17am
Hi there, looking for advice too on what to upgrade next ;)

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/nyon-1737/Faile/20291490

Already planning on getting a better hellfire ring, but aside from it I'd like some input on where I could get the most gain per gold invested.

Thanks a lot for the advice btw :)



This post was edited by butch.cow on Nov 13 2012 12:22am
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Nov 13 2012 04:59am
My stream link is in my profile if you guys want to chat live or farm and test builds, been using it alot lately.
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Nov 13 2012 06:53am
Quote (manduki @ 12 Nov 2012 10:32)
How good is that Calamity and Manticore? Bows get the best archery passive so given that all other stats are the same, the rev bow should have the highest dos. Also, lets not get too caught up on sheet dps.


Quote (D4rk50ul @ 12 Nov 2012 21:51)
Not true, my dual wield / manticore / calamity went on AH in favor of Windforce / Rare Rev bows.

Desirable mods on a rev bow =

High Min/Max Damage
ASI (Keep in mind this raises the base attack speed but lowers its damage range)
Dex or Vit
Base Crit
Life Leech
Socket

Big numbers are great but you should be buying weapons based on overall affect on your build, all can be good depending on your survivability and play style.  Sheet DPS means NOTHING its all about actual DPS and how much time you spend shooting vs kiting.  Good test is to throw Azmo on the highest MP level you can handle and see how long it takes you to burn him down, then divide his hp by the seconds it took.  This is a baseline and it will probably vary depending on packs you encounter etc.


Here is my rev bow in question (2.13aps)






Versus Calamity @ 1080 dps with socket, 7x% natural crit (2.66aps)
versus manti @ 1110 dps with 2 sockets, 91% natural dps 198 dex(1.86aps)
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Nov 13 2012 07:23am
Quote (LOLRagezzz @ Nov 13 2012 07:53am)
Here is my rev bow in question (2.13aps)

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/6615/screenshot027e.jpg




Versus Calamity @ 1080 dps with socket, 7x% natural crit  (2.66aps)
versus manti @ 1110 dps with 2 sockets, 91% natural dps 198 dex(1.86aps)


My dps calculator tells me that I'm doing more damage using the bow over Calamity. (using my gear of course)
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I have a feeling that the manti is worth a lot more than the bow :P
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Nov 13 2012 07:31am
Quote (manduki @ 13 Nov 2012 08:23)
My dps calculator tells me that I'm doing more damage using the bow over Calamity. (using my gear of course)
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I have a feeling that the manti is worth a lot more than the bow :P


Yea it is bow is from late 1.03.
Your rev bow will always out dps a calamity save for extreme rolls.
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Nov 13 2012 06:29pm
Quote (LOLRagezzz @ Nov 13 2012 03:31am)
Yea it is bow is from late 1.03.
Your rev bow will always out dps a calamity save for extreme rolls.


Don't get me wrong, you build for each weapon type so one is not always best. Manticore with all ASI gear will do way more damage but you usually have to sacrifice tons of EHP and playability to get to that point unless you have absolutely top end gear. Calamity is a great weapon and high end (1300+dps) ones are GFG but you lose out on stat rolls and the mark or death isn't that great as well as the damage range being lower. No such thing as a one weapon to rule them all type scenario.
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Nov 13 2012 07:07pm
Quote (D4rk50ul @ 13 Nov 2012 19:29)
Don't get me wrong, you build for each weapon type so one is not always best.  Manticore with all ASI gear will do way more damage but you usually have to sacrifice tons of EHP and playability to get to that point unless you have absolutely top end gear.  Calamity is a great weapon and high end (1300+dps) ones are GFG but you lose out on stat rolls and the mark or death isn't that great as well as the damage range being lower.  No such thing as a one weapon to rule them all type scenario.


And this is why I have one of each type ^_^
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Nov 13 2012 07:41pm
Quote (LOLRagezzz @ Nov 13 2012 03:07pm)
And this is why I have one of each type ^_^


I have the same thing going, but I always default to my rev bow bases like WF/Rares. Then again I play DH almost like a CM wiz where I just bring everything in to melee range and blow them to pieces.
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Nov 13 2012 11:55pm
Quote (de_krikke @ 11 Nov 2012 20:21)
I normally try to find out these things by myself, but I'd like to get some advice to make sure I'm not missing something!

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http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dekrikke-2129/hero/13399750

I'm currently going to get (if affordable with only +-1.5m) a socketed andy's visage like my one, but ofcourse.. with a socket. ;) (edit: noticed the cheapest one without dex is about 2m, with dex 8-9m+. So that's for later)
Also going to upgrade to 80cd in the bow.

I think the next upgrade will be my ammy, which only contains 57cd and 118dex. Could use cc and soms ar I guess.


What do you think?

Played a bit more and upgraded my ammy with cc. It also happened to have nice regen, which is nice since I'm lacking in loh/life steal.
Will try to farm a bit each day to make sure I have at least some igg for upgrades. :)

Any tips?
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