Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 05:42pm)

Then this explains it, because ww is never seen as a main form of attack, but more for mobility. Even having a low low dps off-hand for instance a dagger, killing speed improves due to its high aps on it.

I have ever tried dual swords combo of the same damage. When single wield on shield, I can achieve about 30k damage on the first sword, and 26k damage on the second sword, however when dual-wielding both swords, over-all dps only achieve up to 39k instead of 56k. Killing speed only improved marginally however survivability drops drastically. (of course my off-hand has 700 LoH in place of the natural 51% crit compared to the first sword, but doesn't change the fact survivability of dual-sword combo is suck even at 1500LoH)

Interestingly when equiped with a for instance a 1100dps/1.2aps spear and a 400dps/1.66aps dagger, and at only 30k damage overall, which the damage is even much lower than the sword-sword combo, performance (killing speed and survivability) improves vastly compared to the sword-sword build.

Quote (markilbaldacchino @ 21 Aug 2012 00:57)

well with dual wielding damage is never meant to be doubled, its averaged beween both weapons and you get 15% speed increase for some extra dps. 1100dps in main hand will contribute to most of your dmg from both nado and ww when coupled with a quick swinging low dmg oh, so yes it will feel more powerful than if you had a 900 dps sword in both hands

Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 05:59pm)

in fact my spear has lower damage compared with my sword. I have a very good sword.

Quote (markilbaldacchino @ 21 Aug 2012 01:01)

could be some other stats on the spear vs sword build too, loh vit str crit dmg overall etc

Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 06:04pm)

Yes ur right there the Crit damage is higher on my sword but besides the point, I think main reason dual-sword combo fail is due to a slower aps off-hand, I am generating a theory that 1.4aps for off-hand might not be enough for dual-wielding

Quote (markilbaldacchino @ 21 Aug 2012 01:15)

The thing is that OH it is only affecting WW damage not nado which is again only or less than 10% of all your damage (at least according to Moldrans testing), and stats on your wpns like crit dmg loh life leech str vit are all shared on both wpns, all the time they are in use. Not saying you are wrong, but the reason could be something else? So what were the stats on both swords vs the spear / dagger combo? And where they the only items swapped? Because if you reported high difference in survivability / damage, this could be interesting.

Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 06:34pm)

Stats on First Sword:
Duel Riot (Rare Sword) 212str/40dex/73cd/1.6freeze/1os

Stats on Second Sword:
Forsaken Render (Rare Sword) 200str/700LoH/1os/871dps

Stats on Spear:
Standoff Vault (Rare Spear) 704-1203 dmg/1os

Stats on Dagger:
Dread Downfall (Rare Dagger) 901oH/51cd/1os/1.66aps/43vit/42intell/404.6dps


Those swords are very lovely, trust me, pair of very good swords, many Frenzy barbs looking for it, but compare to Spear/dagger combo for ww, performance is reverse.

Quote (markilbaldacchino @ 21 Aug 2012 01:43)

Spear is lterally just dmg and socket? What is dps on spear and first sword?

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11% weapon IAS = 1.665 weapon aps +15% dw IAS = 1.91475 aps = 6 tps
-> +6% IAS = +21% total IAS = 2.01465 aps = 6.67 tps
-> +19% IAS = +34% total IAS = 2.2311 aps = 7.67 tps
-> +36% IAS = +51% total IAS = 2.51415 aps = 8.67 tps
-> +57% IAS = +72% total IAS = 2.8638 aps = 10 tps

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SWORD (1.4 aps)
base dps dual-w. = +15% total IAS = 1.61 aps = 15 ticks (5 per second)
+5% IAS gear = +20% total IAS = 1.68 aps = 17 ticks (5.67 per second)
+15% IAS gear = +30% total IAS = 1.82 aps = 18 ticks (6 per second)
+28% IAS gear = +43% total IAS = 2.002 aps = 20 ticks (6.67 per second)

Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 06:52pm)

There you go, Spear + sword combo:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Jaxz-1792/hero/17504052

I had swapped the Emeralds between the spear and sword previously. The 80% Jewel originally belongs to the Sword. The Spear was bought clean from Auction House. Factoring the chance to freeze mobs on sword either from thorns or from ww, technically experience better performance with the sword, but that's when single wielding with shield.

It's different when choosing dual-wield for ww. For best performance, my spear+dagger gives better yield than Sword-sword combo. The aps on the off-hand matters a lot imo.



p.s.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4902400739?page=2

Quote (Jaxz @ Aug 20 2012 07:23pm)

p.s.s.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037344497