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Jan 14 2013 04:29pm
Quote (PR4Y @ Jan 14 2013 03:24pm)
Honestly your opinion means nothing, at all.  Getting 4k dex isn't hard?  Stick to softcore bro, you look like a fool.

Also, not EVERY monk in the world uses Cyclone.  I use master of the wind personally, because I can keep it up 24/7 without having to recast... which gives me more spirit to use on skills like tempest rush / mantra spam.

His ACTUAL damage per second is insane.  Character with 2000 dex = 2000% skill damage

This guy 4000 dex = 4000% skill damage.


How the hell is a 2000% increase in skill damage "actually really low" ???  Explain that please.  He doesn't use cyclone... Cyclone is the ONLY skill a monk has that relies on crit procs, and it's not even in his build.  Like I said before... Not EVERY monk uses cyclone.  Especially HARDCORE monks.

His damage range with FoT is TWICE as high as mine.  Also his sweeping wind has TWICE the min/max damage.  He has the same exact sheet DPS as me, but his actual damage output is double what mine is.


LOL SOURCE?

You better give me a source on that shit because that's like the funniest thing i've heard in awhile.

I know the correct answer for it but don't want to say it because you are just too funny.

Here's his d3rawr profile. Check the skill dmg.

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-Ey3P0

THis is yours. Check the skill dmg.

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-ne54d
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Jan 14 2013 06:33pm
Quote (jinshin85 @ Jan 14 2013 05:29pm)
LOL SOURCE?

You better give me a source on that shit because that's like the funniest thing i've heard in awhile.

I know the correct answer for it but don't want to say it because you are just too funny.

Here's his d3rawr profile. Check the skill dmg.

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-Ey3P0

THis is yours. Check the skill dmg.

http://www.d3rawr.com/d-ne54d





Want a source? Here's a screenshot of my character sheet:



His sheet would read 4000% increased skill damage.


Now, using THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED TO ME, I'll take 2 more screenshots:






See how his damage range is TWICE as high as mine? That's because his skill damage increased by dex is TWICE as high as mine...

So despite the fact we have the same SHEET DPS, his ACTUAL damage output is TWICE as much as me... without a single point of Crit Chance / Crit Damage.



Understand now, or should I write a How To: For Dummy's ?
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Jan 14 2013 07:02pm
Man this getting heated :)
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Jan 14 2013 07:10pm
Quote (CherskBlood @ Jan 14 2013 07:02pm)
Man this getting heated :)


I ran into on the other thread. This is JSP. JSP is a battle ground 24/7.

arguments break out over different types of toothpastes.

This post was edited by Web_Designer on Jan 14 2013 07:10pm
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Jan 14 2013 07:12pm
Quote (PR4Y @ Jan 15 2013 01:33am)
Want a source?  Here's a screenshot of my character sheet:

http://i47.tinypic.com/10f3sk1.png

His sheet would read 4000% increased skill damage.


Now, using THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED TO ME, I'll take 2 more screenshots:


http://i48.tinypic.com/o9p9ci.png



See how his damage range is TWICE as high as mine?  That's because his skill damage increased by dex is TWICE as high as mine...

So despite the fact we have the same SHEET DPS, his ACTUAL damage output is TWICE as much as me... without a single point of Crit Chance / Crit Damage.



Understand now, or should I write a How To: For Dummy's ?


The screenshot you posted says you have higher DPS? His range is higher but you have higher damage per second.

You are comparing an auto attack in 2 different gearing styles. Punch for punch he has you, sure. But you have gone for crit on your gear so you are being biased towards him because you want us to say how super awesome it is. You are looking at normal hit vs normal hit when you have gone for crit (granted you have litte crit hit dmg and dont use cyclone so not entirely sure why).
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Jan 14 2013 07:33pm
Quote (Plunge @ Jan 14 2013 08:12pm)
The screenshot you posted says you have higher DPS? His range is higher but you have higher damage per second.

You are comparing an auto attack in 2 different gearing styles. Punch for punch he has you, sure. But you have gone for crit on your gear so you are being biased towards him because you want us to say how super awesome it is. You are looking at normal hit vs normal hit when you have gone for crit (granted you have litte crit hit dmg and dont use cyclone so not entirely sure why).



I don't use cyclone because I like having spirit for tempest rush. I use master of the wind so I can keep SW up 100% of the time after snapshot casting it.


And the point of his damage range being twice as high as mine being so important is that it is exactly as it says it is... the damage range. His damage is CONSISTENT whereas mine relies on random crits and how high they roll to do damage. During fights, I'm constantly seeing mob HP bars drop by like 80%, then the next hit barely touches them.


That's where the efficiency of his build shines. He has such an amazing BASE damage range, that he doesn't even need crits. Where I'm relying on randomness in the game... He's relying on pure base damage, which provides him with the clear edge in terms of farming efficiency.


Like I said before, I'd MUCH rather have a hit range of 30-60k doing CONSTANT damage, then a hit range of 15-30k with the CHANCE of hitting 30-80k....



Let me try and put it in perspective:


My hit range is 15-32k.
His hit range is 30-65k.


I have 40% crit chance, and about 250ish crit damage (depending on what gear I'm using at the time)

So basically I have a 40% chance to hit as hard as he does, 100% of the time... with the rare possibility of hitting a little harder (up to 80k).


His dex is so high, it's basically like me having 100% crit chance with 100% crit damage, effectively doubling my damage output.


Crit Chance / Crit Damage (believe it or not) actually INFLATES your sheet DPS. Yes, you might have much higher TRUE dps then what your sheet says, but crit actually effects your sheet DPS in a way that doesn't scale properly vs. someone's sheet DPS with NO crit whatsoever.

My Character vs. His Character is a clear example of that.

This post was edited by PR4Y on Jan 14 2013 07:38pm
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Jan 14 2013 07:38pm
The get some decent critical hit damage so your crit chance actually has something to synergize with? Then when the stars do align and the RNG gods grant you a crit it actually does some damage rather than hitting like a wet noodle :D
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Jan 14 2013 07:46pm
Quote (PR4Y @ Jan 14 2013 05:33pm)
Want a source?  Here's a screenshot of my character sheet:

http://i47.tinypic.com/10f3sk1.png

His sheet would read 4000% increased skill damage.


Now, using THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED TO ME, I'll take 2 more screenshots:


http://i48.tinypic.com/o9p9ci.png



See how his damage range is TWICE as high as mine?  That's because his skill damage increased by dex is TWICE as high as mine...

So despite the fact we have the same SHEET DPS, his ACTUAL damage output is TWICE as much as me... without a single point of Crit Chance / Crit Damage.



Understand now, or should I write a How To: For Dummy's ?


Do you see the number above those range?

DPS??

Yours is higher.

Who cares about the consistency of the dmg?

DPS is factors in all these attack modifiers: Dex/Attack Speed/Crit Chance/Crit Damage/Your weapon dmgs

All these shits are computed into this shit looking formula and give you the on screen dmg.

And "His sheet would read 4000% increased skill damage" is false. Dex doesn't just increase the skill dmg. It's related to the weapon dmg.

This is not a news to anyone. I don't know why you are going so apeshit on his 4,000 dex when he has no cc/cd which increase the overall dps by A LOT.

I'm not saying his monk is shit, I'm just saying that he could have made it much better with incorporating cc/cd/as altogether.

But that probably cost a lot more and whatnot.

Stop trying to tell me the stuff that I already know. It's not that complicated. Geez.
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Jan 14 2013 07:49pm
and god you are using shelong fist.

why do monks who use shelong set always have this type of attitude?

it's like same thing as those BMW 3 series drivers who are completely douchebags.
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Jan 14 2013 07:52pm
Quote (jinshin85 @ Jan 15 2013 02:49am)
and god you are using shelong fist.

why do monks who use shelong set always have this type of attitude?

it's like same thing as those BMW 3 series drivers who are completely douchebags.


I drive a 3 series :'( lol
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