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Jan 1 2013 11:23pm
whats your advice, for mf'ing/ paragon leveling?

did a whole a3 mp0 run got 13.7 mil exp in 48 min, ww/nado max mf build is this efficient?

+ hellfire ring was on merc. Been doing mp3 easy for higher mf%. gonna compare that tomorrow

whats avg alkazar run time/exp ?

all the wps, cept one and the ice fall caves is what I ran.



This post was edited by blinkyvx1 on Jan 1 2013 11:24pm
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I'm sure this is very helpful for a lot of people, but it would be even more helpful if you detailed more on the attack speed aspect of building a WW barb. It's just so important, and nobody seems to have nailed it in a thread yet, although at least guys like you are trying to clear it up which is helpful. The way you wrote it though, it makes it seem like more attack speed = better always, when in fact it's all about the breakpoints. If you can't reach the higher one, don't overshoot the one you have by so much. You are way way over your breakpoint, and the only way to reach the next one is dagger. You could skip out on a lot of that attack speed and add more damage quite easily...
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I'm sure this is very helpful for a lot of people, but it would be even more helpful if you detailed more on the attack speed aspect of building a WW barb.  It's just so important, and nobody seems to have nailed it in a thread yet, although at least guys like you are trying to clear it up which is helpful.  The way you wrote it though, it makes it seem like more attack speed = better always, when in fact it's all about the breakpoints.  If you can't reach the higher one, don't overshoot the one you have by so much.  You are way way over your breakpoint, and the only way to reach the next one is dagger.  You could skip out on a lot of that attack speed and add more damage quite easily...


didnt mean to make it seem like that, i mention breakpoints so hopefully people who read are smart enough to figure out what the breakpoints are and how much ias they need for them..

and yes I already mentioned I should have gone dagger OH but I couldnt find a cheap one.. so i settled with sword since I found a nice cheap one
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didnt mean to make it seem like that, i mention breakpoints so hopefully people who read are smart enough to figure out what the breakpoints are and how much ias they need for them..

and yes I already mentioned I should have gone dagger OH but I couldnt find a cheap one.. so i settled with sword since I found a nice cheap one


Well i'm no expert or anything, but in my opinion even a worse dagger would be better in the end, simply because you'd get to the next breakpoint. The effective damage increase is very significant with each breakpoint you reach. DPS isn't a linear scale at all. It's fairly flat, then a big boost for a breakpoint, then fairly flat again until the next breakpoint. If you graph it, it would look like a step chart, rather then a parabola. If anybody cared to do that, a visual graph of barbarian breakpoints and the effective damage results would be very helpful. People just aren't getting it.

I'm was a big D2 player, so for that game we focused entirely on building characters that exactly met but didn't exceed the breakpoints. 86% FHR, or 105% FCR, just as a few examples. But for Diablo 3, maybe because it's a fairly new game still, people just think it's a linear increasing scale and they don't bother with breakpoints.

Eventually that will change...
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Jan 2 2013 04:26am
Very Nice indeed!
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Well i'm no expert or anything, but in my opinion even a worse dagger would be better in the end, simply because you'd get to the next breakpoint.  The effective damage increase is very significant with each breakpoint you reach.  DPS isn't a linear scale at all.  It's fairly flat, then a big boost for a breakpoint, then fairly flat again until the next breakpoint.  If you graph it, it would look like a step chart, rather then a parabola.  If anybody cared to do that, a visual graph of barbarian breakpoints and the effective damage results would be very helpful.  People just aren't getting it.

I'm was a big D2 player, so for that game we focused entirely on building characters that exactly met but didn't exceed the breakpoints.  86% FHR, or 105% FCR, just as a few examples.  But for Diablo 3, maybe because it's a fairly new game still, people just think it's a linear increasing scale and they don't bother with breakpoints.

Eventually that will change...


Yea I know its not linear and a graph would be great, maybe something I could work on

im trying as hard as I can to get every barb aware of it with all my threads but im only one man :P

and yea ur probs right about the dagger just when I was making this the dagger selection for low buyouts was just non existent so i jus gave and bought the sword

infact, if using 2 rare weapons its probably best to use axe/dagger with my amount if IAS, since you will hit 2.2/2.5 APS with those weaps :)
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Jan 2 2013 09:47am
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Jan 2 2013 11:40am
Quote (blinkyvx1 @ Jan 1 2013 10:23pm)
whats your advice, for mf'ing/  paragon leveling?

did a whole a3 mp0 run got 13.7 mil exp in 48 min, ww/nado max mf build is this efficient?

+ hellfire ring was on merc. Been doing mp3 easy for higher mf%. gonna compare that tomorrow

whats avg alkazar run time/exp ?

all the wps, cept one and the ice fall caves is what I ran.


alk runs with rakkis backwards added and also skycrown battlements (stonefort wp then go back though the door) are great once you have 5 stacks

highest mp you can do where elites arent taking longer then 10 seconds, needs to be probably at least mp2-3 with good ias to be able to keep up WOTB 100%

i was getting 16mil/14mins doing these runs possibly even more

expect at least 40-50m / hour doing these if done right

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alk runs with rakkis backwards added and also skycrown battlements (stonefort wp then go back though the door) are great once you have 5 stacks

highest mp you can do where elites arent taking longer then 10 seconds, needs to be probably at least mp2-3 with good ias to be able to keep up WOTB 100%

i was getting 16mil/14mins doing these runs possibly even more

expect at least 40-50m / hour doing these if done right


alk run w/ rakkis = 16 mil for 14 min time invested damn ? i dont even get that with full a3 clear

40-50 minutes/ hour for a 3 clear you mean?

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Jan 2 2013 12:30pm
After carefully analyzing I realized I need 2% more attack speed to reach 2.000001 - 2.200000 APS :(
need trifecta rings/amu so expensive lol
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